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"There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." Joel Send a noteboard - 07/10/2012 02:03:49 PM
- Romney was indeed better on the whole, not in the least for always knowing what to say and never being caught hesitating, as Obama often was; and of course coming across as more likeable.

I can only guess wtf was wrong with Obama. I have seen suggestions the desire to maintain civility deterred him calling Romneys rampant duplicity for what it was, or that he was trying to avoid the "angry black man" label (though few but committed bigots have applied it to him in the past.) He himself claims he was just shocked by Romneys 180° turn away from the platform on which he has campaigned all year, in whose spirit he has campaigned since 2008. Romneys sudden about-face so late in the campaign was stunning; he did in one October night what McCain tried and failed from March '08 till election day. Yet the '08 campaign got far more public attention, so running away from his own platform was as impossible for McCain as it was effortless for Romney.

None of that changes Prof. Obama coming to class unprepared. Romneys "47%" comments alone were enough to demolish his sudden embrace of the welfare state. Just Romneys onstage comments were enough to end his dash center had Obaba asked how he simultaneously endorsed regulation, entitlements and more education funding AND dismissed those things as "trickle down government." The same public disinterest that made Romneys duplicity possible made its exposure critical to Obama. He has incessantly tried to regain that missed opportunity since Wednesday, but it is gone beyond recall.

Had Romney not been so deceitful I would say he DESERVES to win, because his pivot was masterfully well timed and executed. Both campaigns have been so uninspiring most of the public ignored them till Wednesday, when the tight contests first head-to-head confrontation drew a reported 67 million viewers. That is nearly as many as the 69.5 million who voted for Obama in his '08 landslide. Many of Wednesdays viewers were considering the candidates for the first time, unaware of Romneys multi-year dismissal of entitlements, regulation and the welfare state in general. Romneys supporters have often criticized him letting Obama define him early in the campaign, but before what will probably be the campaigns largest audience he redefined himself, and thus the campaign.

Many of the remaining undecideds made their decision right there, as did those previously only leaning toward one candidate or the other. Obama is playing damage control now, hoping he can regain the initiative in the town hall debate and that Biden does not deepen the hole in the interim. Unfortunately for him, it is unlikely the two remaining debates will draw audiences anywhere near as large as the first, and none will be making their first close examination of the candidates. That first assessment came for Wednesday for most people: Romney sparkled, Obama fizzled, and nothing can ever change that.

People have been talking for a while, but especially prior to the debate, about Obama trying to "run out the clock" with his slim lead. OK, let us go with that football analogy: This election has not been a blowout, and a team leading by just a FG half way through the 4th quarter must do more than just kill the clock: As the clock runs down, it must avoid fumbles and continue making gains to maintain possession. If it loses possession (like Obama) a quick Hail Mary TD (like Romneys) can suddenly leave it BEHIND by MORE than a FG with even LESS time on the clock.

- It seems presidential debates have now turned into a spectacle where everybody gets to make up his own facts and numbers, and it doesn't really matter whether any of them have any relation to the truth. Without rigorous factchecking afterwards, they are indeed becoming rather useless. And that applies to both candidates.

Good luck. First and foremost, 90% of people who are not political junkies (i.e. 81% of America) will never pay enough attention to know what fact checkers do or do not say. That leaves a piddling 19%; subtracting the 16% who are partisans convinced everyone but their preferred partisan sources is lying leaves an impressive 3% of America through whom fact checkers can save US government and voters from dishonest candidates.

- Romney's harping on that 716 billion taken out of Medicare was rather ridiculous, and his promising to restore it is even more so.

Particularly since the only difference between the $700 billion Romney AND Obama would cut is that Romney would cut care, while Obama would maintain the same care but pay less for it. Y'know, reduce waste and inefficiency?

The sad thing is, I actually like Romney and Ryans STATED plan to keep regular Medicare for those who want it and let those who want premium care buy it, but htf are they going to pay for it with tax CUTS? Handing out premium care vouchers is ridiculous; the whole point is ensuring a minimum standard for everyone while preserving premium care for those who can afford it. Government providing everyone premium care is not even socialism, just the kind of government grabbag Republicans (justifiably) despise. So, um, how sincerely do you think Romney and Ryan "support" it? ;)

- It hardly counts as news, but it's always amusing to see how in American politics, America being best in the world in every imaginable regard is taken as an axiom, and actual data doesn't interest anyone. I have a distinct impression that running a presidential campaign in which one consistently gives correct assessments of America's relative position in the world in all those fields, would be a recipe for the most spectacular defeat since Walter Mondale, even if you did everything else right.

The subject line quote was one I had not heard until pre-debate discussion (in my defence, I had just turned 2 when Ford said it.) Ford defended the comment by saying he simply refused to "legitimize" the Iron Curtain by publicly acknowledging it, but it reinforced already strong public perception of him as a bufoon.

Challengers must strike a careful balance between criticizing Americas president WITHOUT criticizing America itself. And, of course, incumbents do not want to admit any American shortcomings, because they reflect on the president. So we get the bizarre spectacle of one candidate saying only they can help a flawless country while the other insists only they can save an indestructible one.

Well. I only pray most of my countrymen analyzed the debate as astutely as you. The good news for Obama is people know politicians routinely lie; the bad news is people know politicians routinely lie. :P
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Romney CRUSHES Obama in First Debate - Leads Swing States by 4% - 04/10/2012 05:32:32 AM 1119 Views
So, is that from a "corrected", "non-skewed" poll? - 04/10/2012 05:51:58 AM 630 Views
Nope, I checked Betfair, the odds on Romney continue to drift - 04/10/2012 10:02:16 AM 717 Views
Wow, you suck at Googling! - 04/10/2012 01:14:22 PM 828 Views
No, you just apparently suck at math - 04/10/2012 07:17:20 PM 592 Views
I know you are sad, but your Messiah may still win.....you never know! - 04/10/2012 07:23:16 PM 658 Views
I'm more of a syndicalist, sorry - 04/10/2012 08:43:48 PM 691 Views
Ooh, would you mind talking more about syndicalism? - 04/10/2012 11:28:40 PM 597 Views
It really should be mandatory for everyone to read factcheck.org after every debate. *NM* - 04/10/2012 09:38:24 AM 368 Views
Seriously. The number of times I squinted and thought, "Wait, that doesn't sound quite right" - 04/10/2012 02:01:12 PM 720 Views
Romney addressed that head-on - 04/10/2012 02:13:44 PM 613 Views
Yeah, that "20 million" comment raised my eyebrows. - 04/10/2012 04:15:49 PM 975 Views
Why are you not counting the elderly? - 04/10/2012 07:33:28 PM 865 Views
Obama - Lost and Bewildered without Teleprompter.....funny stuff! - 04/10/2012 01:10:40 PM 645 Views
A2000, your message should read: - 04/10/2012 03:42:18 PM 668 Views
I consider the margin of error implied. - 04/10/2012 05:49:50 PM 572 Views
Unfortunately statistics does not support that. - 04/10/2012 06:11:56 PM 686 Views
Of course they do; the law of averages supports that. - 04/10/2012 06:46:27 PM 717 Views
Poll numbers aren't random so even if the law of averages could be applied to a small data set... - 04/10/2012 07:05:49 PM 597 Views
that is why you can't base things on just one poll - 05/10/2012 01:27:18 AM 772 Views
You are making the same mistake Joel is making. You should read our discussion. *NM* - 05/10/2012 01:50:01 AM 448 Views
there is a difference between statistical errors and model or method errors - 05/10/2012 03:28:38 AM 657 Views
There is a difference between the law of averages and the law of large numbers. - 05/10/2012 04:45:00 AM 852 Views
can wait for Ryan vs Bozo the VP - 04/10/2012 06:07:30 PM 542 Views
+1 - that debate is going to be comical! - 04/10/2012 07:24:26 PM 656 Views
I would end up with alchohol posioning *NM* - 04/10/2012 10:16:51 PM 400 Views
If Biden performs as expected... - 04/10/2012 07:46:16 PM 689 Views
your take on obama's foreign policy debate performance does not seem like reality - 04/10/2012 08:00:51 PM 629 Views
I never would have thought Romney could lay such a beatdown on Obama as I saw last night. - 04/10/2012 08:55:46 PM 701 Views
we saw the anti-romney last night. i doubt obama is going to be so flat-footed against him next time - 04/10/2012 10:35:21 PM 627 Views
Hilarious. - 04/10/2012 11:20:32 PM 582 Views
Re: Hilarious. - 05/10/2012 12:27:33 AM 591 Views
Why can it not be both? - 05/10/2012 12:58:59 PM 730 Views
who would you consider our number one geopolitical foe? - 04/10/2012 10:12:53 PM 708 Views
China is far more dangerous. *NM* - 05/10/2012 07:23:06 AM 304 Views
Whoa, was not expecting that point of agreement. - 05/10/2012 12:35:35 PM 737 Views
I'm not frightened of them, but they're hardly an ally. *NM* - 05/10/2012 03:55:45 PM 405 Views
I am not frightened, but am concerned. - 06/10/2012 01:27:40 PM 709 Views
they may be more dangerous but that doesn't that doesn't automatically make them first - 05/10/2012 01:09:30 PM 709 Views
That's fair enough. *NM* - 05/10/2012 03:54:56 PM 351 Views
WOW - Even the liberal CNN Poll confirms Romney's crushing victory. - 04/10/2012 07:27:28 PM 737 Views
I could have crushed either of them in that debate - 04/10/2012 09:26:07 PM 719 Views
I watched it now. A few thoughts (albeit rather late): - 05/10/2012 09:46:02 PM 771 Views
You are correct on all points. - 07/10/2012 03:12:51 AM 879 Views
"There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe." - 07/10/2012 02:03:49 PM 1162 Views
you are missing a key point - 07/10/2012 04:34:17 PM 677 Views
Am I missing that point? I thought I said clearly enough that I thought Romney was better. *NM* - 07/10/2012 08:47:42 PM 411 Views
maybe, seemed that way to me - 08/10/2012 03:18:18 PM 655 Views

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