- Romney was indeed better on the whole, not in the least for always knowing what to say and never being caught hesitating, as Obama often was; and of course coming across as more likeable.
I can only guess wtf was wrong with Obama. I have seen suggestions the desire to maintain civility deterred him calling Romneys rampant duplicity for what it was, or that he was trying to avoid the "angry black man" label (though few but committed bigots have applied it to him in the past.) He himself claims he was just shocked by Romneys 180° turn away from the platform on which he has campaigned all year, in whose spirit he has campaigned since 2008. Romneys sudden about-face so late in the campaign was stunning; he did in one October night what McCain tried and failed from March '08 till election day. Yet the '08 campaign got far more public attention, so running away from his own platform was as impossible for McCain as it was effortless for Romney.
None of that changes Prof. Obama coming to class unprepared. Romneys "47%" comments alone were enough to demolish his sudden embrace of the welfare state. Just Romneys onstage comments were enough to end his dash center had Obaba asked how he simultaneously endorsed regulation, entitlements and more education funding AND dismissed those things as "trickle down government." The same public disinterest that made Romneys duplicity possible made its exposure critical to Obama. He has incessantly tried to regain that missed opportunity since Wednesday, but it is gone beyond recall.
Had Romney not been so deceitful I would say he DESERVES to win, because his pivot was masterfully well timed and executed. Both campaigns have been so uninspiring most of the public ignored them till Wednesday, when the tight contests first head-to-head confrontation drew a reported 67 million viewers. That is nearly as many as the 69.5 million who voted for Obama in his '08 landslide. Many of Wednesdays viewers were considering the candidates for the first time, unaware of Romneys multi-year dismissal of entitlements, regulation and the welfare state in general. Romneys supporters have often criticized him letting Obama define him early in the campaign, but before what will probably be the campaigns largest audience he redefined himself, and thus the campaign.
Many of the remaining undecideds made their decision right there, as did those previously only leaning toward one candidate or the other. Obama is playing damage control now, hoping he can regain the initiative in the town hall debate and that Biden does not deepen the hole in the interim. Unfortunately for him, it is unlikely the two remaining debates will draw audiences anywhere near as large as the first, and none will be making their first close examination of the candidates. That first assessment came for Wednesday for most people: Romney sparkled, Obama fizzled, and nothing can ever change that.
People have been talking for a while, but especially prior to the debate, about Obama trying to "run out the clock" with his slim lead. OK, let us go with that football analogy: This election has not been a blowout, and a team leading by just a FG half way through the 4th quarter must do more than just kill the clock: As the clock runs down, it must avoid fumbles and continue making gains to maintain possession. If it loses possession (like Obama) a quick Hail Mary TD (like Romneys) can suddenly leave it BEHIND by MORE than a FG with even LESS time on the clock.
- It seems presidential debates have now turned into a spectacle where everybody gets to make up his own facts and numbers, and it doesn't really matter whether any of them have any relation to the truth. Without rigorous factchecking afterwards, they are indeed becoming rather useless. And that applies to both candidates.
Good luck. First and foremost, 90% of people who are not political junkies (i.e. 81% of America) will never pay enough attention to know what fact checkers do or do not say. That leaves a piddling 19%; subtracting the 16% who are partisans convinced everyone but their preferred partisan sources is lying leaves an impressive 3% of America through whom fact checkers can save US government and voters from dishonest candidates.
- Romney's harping on that 716 billion taken out of Medicare was rather ridiculous, and his promising to restore it is even more so.
Particularly since the only difference between the $700 billion Romney AND Obama would cut is that Romney would cut care, while Obama would maintain the same care but pay less for it. Y'know, reduce waste and inefficiency?
The sad thing is, I actually like Romney and Ryans STATED plan to keep regular Medicare for those who want it and let those who want premium care buy it, but htf are they going to pay for it with tax CUTS? Handing out premium care vouchers is ridiculous; the whole point is ensuring a minimum standard for everyone while preserving premium care for those who can afford it. Government providing everyone premium care is not even socialism, just the kind of government grabbag Republicans (justifiably) despise. So, um, how sincerely do you think Romney and Ryan "support" it?

- It hardly counts as news, but it's always amusing to see how in American politics, America being best in the world in every imaginable regard is taken as an axiom, and actual data doesn't interest anyone. I have a distinct impression that running a presidential campaign in which one consistently gives correct assessments of America's relative position in the world in all those fields, would be a recipe for the most spectacular defeat since Walter Mondale, even if you did everything else right.
The subject line quote was one I had not heard until pre-debate discussion (in my defence, I had just turned 2 when Ford said it.) Ford defended the comment by saying he simply refused to "legitimize" the Iron Curtain by publicly acknowledging it, but it reinforced already strong public perception of him as a bufoon.
Challengers must strike a careful balance between criticizing Americas president WITHOUT criticizing America itself. And, of course, incumbents do not want to admit any American shortcomings, because they reflect on the president. So we get the bizarre spectacle of one candidate saying only they can help a flawless country while the other insists only they can save an indestructible one.
Well. I only pray most of my countrymen analyzed the debate as astutely as you. The good news for Obama is people know politicians routinely lie; the bad news is people know politicians routinely lie.

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Romney CRUSHES Obama in First Debate - Leads Swing States by 4%
04/10/2012 05:32:32 AM
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So, is that from a "corrected", "non-skewed" poll?
04/10/2012 05:51:58 AM
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Wow, you suck at Googling!
04/10/2012 01:14:22 PM
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Which poll at your link shows anything but Obama leading every swing state but NC?
04/10/2012 05:41:31 PM
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No, you just apparently suck at math
04/10/2012 07:17:20 PM
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I know you are sad, but your Messiah may still win.....you never know!
04/10/2012 07:23:16 PM
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your mental instability and misperception of reality are worrisome -- please seek professional help
04/10/2012 07:54:45 PM
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I'm more of a syndicalist, sorry
04/10/2012 08:43:48 PM
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Ooh, would you mind talking more about syndicalism?
04/10/2012 11:28:40 PM
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Sure, but I'm no doctrainaire on this
05/10/2012 01:13:19 AM
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Thank you!
Reading the wikipedia entry was making my eyes glaze over. But I can try again now. *NM*
05/10/2012 02:14:50 PM
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It really should be mandatory for everyone to read factcheck.org after every debate. *NM*
04/10/2012 09:38:24 AM
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Seriously. The number of times I squinted and thought, "Wait, that doesn't sound quite right"
04/10/2012 02:01:12 PM
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Romney addressed that head-on
04/10/2012 02:13:44 PM
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Yeah, but it ain't, and it was Obamas job to make that unnecessary.
04/10/2012 03:26:50 PM
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Obama - Lost and Bewildered without Teleprompter.....funny stuff!
04/10/2012 01:10:40 PM
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Which part of Romneys socialism was your favorite?
04/10/2012 03:38:17 PM
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I keep thinking that was what killed Obama.
04/10/2012 04:45:02 PM
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I suspected that was a lot of it, yeah, but he should have been prepared for the Etch-a-Sketch.
04/10/2012 05:25:35 PM
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living in a bubble where everyone agreed on those things and is what killed him
04/10/2012 05:59:29 PM
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why do you silly lefites keep acting like Romney is the first guy to move to the center?
04/10/2012 05:46:13 PM
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The primary was six months ago, and endorsing every aspect of limited welfare states is not centrist
04/10/2012 06:00:56 PM
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can you support that insane argument? *NM*
05/10/2012 01:10:11 PM
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Romney explicitly endorsed regulations, soaking the rich, entitlements and public education funding.
05/10/2012 02:25:49 PM
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you could have just said no
05/10/2012 05:25:44 PM
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Since when was Romney (or any Republican since TRs day) for more regulation or hiring more teachers?
06/10/2012 01:33:53 PM
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Well Bush was pushing for more banking regulations but Barney Franks blocked him
07/10/2012 03:52:50 PM
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A2000, your message should read:
04/10/2012 03:42:18 PM
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I consider the margin of error implied.
04/10/2012 05:49:50 PM
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Unfortunately statistics does not support that.
04/10/2012 06:11:56 PM
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Of course they do; the law of averages supports that.
04/10/2012 06:46:27 PM
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Poll numbers aren't random so even if the law of averages could be applied to a small data set...
04/10/2012 07:05:49 PM
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If not random, they are indicative (if not necessary conclusive,) and the data set is large enough.
04/10/2012 08:55:24 PM
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Let me rephrase: the law of averages is a belief. You are basing your conclusion on a belief.
04/10/2012 09:23:50 PM
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I have never used the Law of Averages to mean anything except the (proven) Law of Large Numbers.
05/10/2012 09:22:56 AM
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I'm pretty sure that 136 is not a large number. *NM*
05/10/2012 12:20:35 PM
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That is a matter of opinion, but for a binary event I think it huge.
05/10/2012 12:42:24 PM
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Without additional data, the default would be that the coin is fair. Since...
05/10/2012 05:20:21 PM
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After 136 trials the DEFAULT assumption no longer applies in the face of ample hard data.
06/10/2012 04:02:51 PM
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I did the same experiment I suggested for you.
06/10/2012 04:45:28 PM
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Still not a 3:1 ratio.
06/10/2012 06:09:00 PM
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Let me try and put it a slightly different way.
06/10/2012 08:12:35 PM
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The more lopsided/large the trial, the more LIKELY the coin is unfair;weight is the only way to KNOW
07/10/2012 12:09:27 PM
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You're completely missing the point.
07/10/2012 03:34:29 PM
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But 100 polls isn't analogous to 100 coin flips. Each of thousands of individuals is a coin flip.
07/10/2012 11:05:13 PM
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that is why you can't base things on just one poll
05/10/2012 01:27:18 AM
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You are making the same mistake Joel is making. You should read our discussion. *NM*
05/10/2012 01:50:01 AM
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there is a difference between statistical errors and model or method errors
05/10/2012 03:28:38 AM
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There is a difference between the law of averages and the law of large numbers.
05/10/2012 04:45:00 AM
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you left out part of that wiki quote you pasted
05/10/2012 05:30:52 AM
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You still haven't justified the application of the law of large numbers.
05/10/2012 12:24:51 PM
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I suggest you take some time to understand what I wrote and get back to me
05/10/2012 01:12:03 PM
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I obviously must have missed where you justified the use of the law of large numbers.
05/10/2012 04:43:51 PM
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WellI did that twice and I am waiting for you to refute what I said *NM*
05/10/2012 05:28:18 PM
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Since you are unwilling to be helpful...
05/10/2012 05:50:47 PM
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The law is a trend throughout, not a pass/fail based on if the number of polls is "large enough"
06/10/2012 03:26:33 PM
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I'm not saying that the law of large numbers doesn't make the margin of error less when...
06/10/2012 04:55:16 PM
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decades of polling history say you are wrong
07/10/2012 04:08:45 PM
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Stating that, "decades of polling history say you are wrong" doesn't prove your point.
07/10/2012 05:35:57 PM
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you are either ignoring what I am saying or you are mentally unable to understand it so I am done
07/10/2012 06:11:22 PM
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As you wish. I'm starting to get the same feeling from you as well. So whatever. But before you go..
07/10/2012 07:20:17 PM
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can wait for Ryan vs Bozo the VP
04/10/2012 06:07:30 PM
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If Biden performs as expected...
04/10/2012 07:46:16 PM
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your take on obama's foreign policy debate performance does not seem like reality
04/10/2012 08:00:51 PM
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I never would have thought Romney could lay such a beatdown on Obama as I saw last night.
04/10/2012 08:55:46 PM
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we saw the anti-romney last night. i doubt obama is going to be so flat-footed against him next time
04/10/2012 10:35:21 PM
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by that you mean he isn't the Romney the left tried to pretend he was and now they are mad
05/10/2012 12:53:00 AM
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right.... that whole 47% thing is a totally moderate position for a politician to take...
*NM*
05/10/2012 04:32:25 AM
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about as moderate as thinking the government didn't help New Orleans because it has a lot of blacks
05/10/2012 04:51:15 AM
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if you only have obama's comments from LAST election in 2008 then you have nothing
05/10/2012 03:38:07 PM
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who would you consider our number one geopolitical foe?
04/10/2012 10:12:53 PM
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China is far more dangerous. *NM*
05/10/2012 07:23:06 AM
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Whoa, was not expecting that point of agreement.
05/10/2012 12:35:35 PM
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they may be more dangerous but that doesn't that doesn't automatically make them first
05/10/2012 01:09:30 PM
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name two foreign policy decisions russia has blocked since 2008 *NM*
05/10/2012 03:41:15 PM
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It's generally both of them, really, isn't it?
05/10/2012 10:03:39 PM
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Agreed; much of it is that both China and Russia profit handsomely from nuclear proliferation.
06/10/2012 01:55:21 PM
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They both block us in the Middle East but Russia blocks us in Europe o a much larger degree
07/10/2012 04:22:40 PM
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WOW - Even the liberal CNN Poll confirms Romney's crushing victory.
04/10/2012 07:27:28 PM
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I watched it now. A few thoughts (albeit rather late):
05/10/2012 09:46:02 PM
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"There is no Soviet domination of Eastern Europe."
07/10/2012 02:03:49 PM
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you are missing a key point
07/10/2012 04:34:17 PM
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Am I missing that point? I thought I said clearly enough that I thought Romney was better. *NM*
07/10/2012 08:47:42 PM
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