Except that England did, however briefly, conquer and control Scotland.
Joel Send a noteboard - 01/12/2012 04:55:08 PM
is that Scotland always was independent until the Union in the early 18th century, albeit at times under the same crown as England in a personal union (although I'm not sure about how much real independence it had under Cromwell, possibly that was a temporary exception). It fought several wars against England to *remain* independent, but with your references to the American Revolution you're making it sound as if they were an English possession that fought to liberate itself. Only the wars of the Pretenders that you note, the "1715" and the "1745", could actually be considered revolutions like the American one (and even then it'd be an odd comparison).
Complete with formal cessation of hostilities and installation of English officials responsible to the English crown. They were bastards, so the Scots rose in revolt about a year later, ultimately ousting the English and REGAINING independence, but Scotland WAS officially and peacefully part of England, if only for a short time.
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So, I found this video explaining the differences between The UK, Great Britain, England, etc.
- 19/11/2012 07:18:13 PM
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Great Britain is an island containing England, Scotland and Wales.
- 19/11/2012 08:07:35 PM
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Is that why Andy Murray is getting credit for being British? *NM*
- 19/11/2012 08:46:45 PM
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Ideally, yes; most likely, no.
- 19/11/2012 08:55:22 PM
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They keep saying "the first British man to win a Grand Slam title since 1938"
- 19/11/2012 10:12:44 PM
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Mostly that's an indication of just how desperate they were before that happened.
- 19/11/2012 10:30:40 PM
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- 19/11/2012 10:30:40 PM
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Plus he is British
- 19/11/2012 10:49:38 PM
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I do believe I said so in my post, yes.
- 19/11/2012 11:00:05 PM
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- 19/11/2012 11:00:05 PM
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Barely so, I would say.
- 19/11/2012 11:14:08 PM
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But Scotland is a different country than England, yes?
- 20/11/2012 12:34:07 AM
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Yes and no. Mostly no.
- 20/11/2012 10:59:10 AM
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So would you say
- 20/11/2012 04:21:36 PM
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Kind of, but not precisely. It's probably the easiest way to look at it, though. *NM*
- 20/11/2012 06:23:34 PM
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I am about as Anglophile as they come, as I dare say you may have noticed...
- 20/11/2012 07:35:36 PM
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Yes
- 20/11/2012 09:35:54 PM
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Now you just had to go and remind me...
- 20/11/2012 09:49:41 PM
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I'm speechless.
- 20/11/2012 10:08:53 PM
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Well, it IS true.
- 20/11/2012 08:12:13 PM
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I didn't say uncomfortable, I said funny.
- 20/11/2012 08:19:32 PM
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- 20/11/2012 08:19:32 PM
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True, but it always felt very awkward to me, even when I considered mens tennis worth watching.
- 01/12/2012 05:10:21 PM
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Not all Scots dislike being called British. Only the Nationalist ones.
- 20/11/2012 07:34:32 PM
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Well, that is more reasonable then.
- 20/11/2012 08:07:18 PM
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Uh, what?
- 20/11/2012 08:55:12 PM
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Independence from England.
- 24/11/2012 01:37:11 PM
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The point I'm guessing Rebekah is referring to, and it's a fairly important one...
- 28/11/2012 07:20:11 PM
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Except that England did, however briefly, conquer and control Scotland.
- 01/12/2012 04:55:08 PM
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Re: Not all Scots dislike being called British. Only the Nationalist ones.
- 21/11/2012 12:58:26 AM
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