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It's great that they were able to do it. Tom Send a noteboard - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM
Unions had a place in the history of this nation, but the old union model is antiquated and led to major abuses - from workers drinking in bars while "on the clock" all the way to criminal behavior during contract negotiations. Unions consistently fight to save the worst of the worst from being fired and are corrupt to their core in their operations. Their bosses are mafia thugs and their members act like they're in a cult.

That having been said, there should be some method for semi-skilled and skilled workers to make sure that they earn enough to support families. It helps the overall economy, it helps keep the country stable and it makes life bearable for people working tough jobs. My suggestion would be giving stock to workers based on number of years worked (for publicly traded companies), and for smaller companies some sort of profit sharing incentive, and have dividends not taxed anymore at all. It would restore the primary reason for investing in companies - strong fundamentals - and encourage shareholder activism against abuses by management of pay, bonuses, etc. It would also help the workers feel that, if they helped the company thrive, they could keep taking money even in retirement.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1291 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 646 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 585 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 635 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 626 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 562 Views
Dude, that's insane. - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 625 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 509 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 565 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 667 Views
The good and the bad of unions: - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 739 Views
Double post. - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 788 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 551 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 377 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 658 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 554 Views
- 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 769 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 669 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 677 Views
one point i need to address here: - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 522 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 724 Views
it's great? - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 603 Views
Pissed off people.... - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 521 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 646 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 502 Views
but that's my point exactly - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 560 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 304 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 544 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 520 Views
So let me get this straight. - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 603 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 548 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 592 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 551 Views
That would be an interesting study... - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 532 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 500 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 585 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 558 Views
How is that wrong? - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 518 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 536 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 529 Views
A brilliant argument... - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 609 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 535 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 461 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 545 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 524 Views
i'll take you one further.... - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 463 Views
I have suggested that before - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 515 Views
so you did. sorry about that! - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 490 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 526 Views
funny thing about that..... - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 455 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 548 Views
What do you want me to say? - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 603 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 292 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 593 Views
This must be a trying time for you. - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 538 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 260 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 680 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 510 Views

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