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the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog Send a noteboard - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM
by passing laws which limit the power of unions, the republicans are hoping that means less money for dem candidates next election cycle. yeah, sure, if you don't want to be part of a union you shouldn't be forced to join, but let's all stop pretending that creating "right to work" states is somehow helping workers at any level in any industry. these "right to work" laws are nothing more than republicans trying to curtail one of the democrats' strongest political bases, and an attempt to give more power to company executives. any argument against the existence of unions is just rationalization to cover for this fact.
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Congrats to Michigan - The Newest Right to Work State! Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 04:59:29 AM 1291 Views
It's great that they were able to do it. Tom - 12/12/2012 02:45:39 PM 646 Views
I just think it's so... odd... that people don't realize things constantly evolve. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 05:18:11 PM 585 Views
Isn't this a symptom of evolution? Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:12:36 PM 635 Views
we also don't need unions to keep people on the job who are bad at it..... moondog - 12/12/2012 06:20:22 PM 626 Views
Unions are all about protecting underperforming workers and the union leadership. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:37:41 PM 562 Views
Dude, that's insane. beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:58:42 PM 625 Views
That's a bit naive. And instead of evolution, I should have said "ever-changing" beetnemesis - 12/12/2012 06:55:41 PM 509 Views
No, big companies aren't all of a sudden altruistic... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 07:33:16 PM 565 Views
your three examples are of employers demanding workers do more for less moondog - 12/12/2012 07:41:12 PM 667 Views
The good and the bad of unions: Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:46 PM 739 Views
Double post. Narg - 12/12/2012 10:33:50 PM 789 Views
Ok...employeers demanding people to do more for less. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:56:32 PM 574 Views
the point was that the union did not strike, the workers were prevented from working by management moondog - 13/12/2012 11:25:07 PM 591 Views
Yes, and if there was not a union... beetnemesis - 13/12/2012 04:56:57 AM 551 Views
What are the downsides of Unions? *NM* Narg - 12/12/2012 10:30:17 PM 377 Views
What are the upsides for anyone BUT unions? Cannoli - 13/12/2012 11:58:23 PM 658 Views
the answer to the political influence is hard campaign contribution limits from individuals only moondog - 14/12/2012 12:27:57 AM 554 Views
Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:33:13 AM 769 Views
I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. Narg - 14/12/2012 08:55:46 PM 669 Views
I'll tell you what my perceptions are.... Jeordam - 14/12/2012 09:30:33 PM 677 Views
one point i need to address here: moondog - 14/12/2012 10:09:24 PM 522 Views
Re: I was hoping to hear what a union supporter recognizes as flaws of unions. moondog - 14/12/2012 10:07:39 PM 479 Views
Sorry, didn't realize this was addressed to me. Sure, ok: beetnemesis - 15/12/2012 05:14:57 AM 724 Views
it's great? moondog - 12/12/2012 05:29:00 PM 603 Views
Pissed off people.... Jeordam - 12/12/2012 06:16:49 PM 521 Views
again, what industry will those people looking for work go to in michigan? moondog - 12/12/2012 06:23:47 PM 646 Views
This used to be the case, but no longer. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:34:01 PM 502 Views
but that's my point exactly moondog - 12/12/2012 06:40:20 PM 560 Views
Which industry are you refering to? *NM* Isaac - 12/12/2012 06:23:55 PM 304 Views
As a native Michigander, I can tell you it's great. ranagrande - 12/12/2012 06:26:53 PM 544 Views
+1 - This is going to help bring jobs to MI and benefit the auto industry. Anonymous2000 - 12/12/2012 06:33:43 PM 520 Views
unions still aren't the problem in michigan, it's reliance on a single industry as the main employer moondog - 12/12/2012 06:37:44 PM 525 Views
Michigan is one of the fastest growing areas for the tech industry. Michigan is starting to expand. everynametaken - 19/12/2012 03:28:18 AM 700 Views
So let me get this straight. Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:54:14 PM 603 Views
Yes, it's a good thing, a very, very good thing! Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:45:43 PM 548 Views
no "right to work" in MO, MT, CO, NM, KY, WV, OH, MA, NY, DE, MN, WI, PA, OR, WA, HI, AK, MD moondog - 13/12/2012 06:56:17 PM 592 Views
Just to play devil's advocate... Tom - 13/12/2012 09:12:02 PM 551 Views
That would be an interesting study... Jeordam - 13/12/2012 09:51:21 PM 532 Views
Re: Just to play devil's advocate... moondog - 13/12/2012 09:57:07 PM 500 Views
I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:06:34 PM 585 Views
Re: I, for one, stipulate that you are correct. moondog - 13/12/2012 10:18:27 PM 558 Views
How is that wrong? Jeordam - 13/12/2012 10:52:24 PM 518 Views
it's wrong because it ultimately drives down *all* workers' pay, not just the unions moondog - 13/12/2012 11:26:00 PM 536 Views
Your argument is completely fallacious. Tom - 14/12/2012 04:17:58 AM 529 Views
A brilliant argument... Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:23:53 AM 609 Views
You are assuming that business owners do not value "on the job" experience Orange - 14/12/2012 09:03:35 AM 640 Views
Your hypothetical doesn't stand up in the real world, however. Tom - 14/12/2012 02:46:23 PM 584 Views
the only reason unions are obsolete is because republicans don't want them supporting dems moondog - 14/12/2012 06:43:56 PM 536 Views
Unions being obsolete has almost nothing to do with internal American politics Tom - 14/12/2012 07:10:38 PM 461 Views
i would disagree, at least with respect to the spate of "right to work" laws being pushed through moondog - 14/12/2012 07:32:26 PM 545 Views
Unions aren't going to help rein in CEO pay or corporate profits. Tom - 14/12/2012 10:48:51 PM 524 Views
i'll take you one further.... moondog - 14/12/2012 11:24:26 PM 463 Views
I have suggested that before Tom - 15/12/2012 02:31:07 PM 515 Views
so you did. sorry about that! moondog - 15/12/2012 03:59:16 PM 490 Views
So to work with your thoughts (regarding the Romans) Jeordam - 14/12/2012 06:07:06 PM 526 Views
funny thing about that..... moondog - 14/12/2012 07:25:50 PM 455 Views
And so what if they are all shit jobs with substandard pay! Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:08:41 AM 548 Views
What do you want me to say? Jeordam - 14/12/2012 05:58:45 PM 603 Views
And so the destruction of the Middle Class continues. *NM* Dannymac - 13/12/2012 03:43:36 PM 292 Views
The unions already destroyed the middle class..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 05:46:56 PM 564 Views
Do you really not understand why unions existed in the first place? Dannymac - 14/12/2012 06:55:27 AM 489 Views
Why they first existed is not in issue. It is if they STILL serve a useful or detrimental purpose. HyogaRott - 14/12/2012 03:00:48 PM 553 Views
Yeah, moron! What is wrong with you, that you do not blindly accept his underlying premise? Cannoli - 19/12/2012 01:35:37 AM 884 Views
Damn, I agree with Anonymous2000. callandor1000 - 14/12/2012 04:29:36 AM 593 Views
This must be a trying time for you. Dannymac - 14/12/2012 07:06:56 AM 538 Views
Callandor sees the light, perhaps it's time for you as well! *NM* Anonymous2000 - 14/12/2012 02:08:47 PM 260 Views
HOW they are doing it..is bullshit Amyrlin - 13/12/2012 06:33:09 PM 680 Views
How? Residents of MI elected a Republican legislature and Governor..... Anonymous2000 - 13/12/2012 09:25:43 PM 510 Views
You have the right to work, not the right to vote in an election as you see fit and keep your job. *NM* heartbreak - 15/12/2012 03:23:13 AM 340 Views
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