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Hmm good questions Nighthawk Send a noteboard - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM

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Does everyone deserve an equal opportunity to succeed?

I'm not talking of equality in the realm of equal standing among individuals in a slave/master sort of way. I'm not speaking of "rights" (define rights as you would see fit). I'm speaking of the opportunity to be "rich" or "poor".

We can all agree that the socio/economic strata that one is born into lends to advantages or disadvantages. If you're born into a family with significant financial backing, there are many opportunities for success. Good school, a home life where material concerns are not a point of stress, you name it. If you're born into a family without financial backing, there are precious few opportunities for success (if any exist). Are we as a society going to strive to take away those advantages and give them to the disadvantaged? Or are we going to let the advantaged have what they have, and try to help the disadvantaged? Maybe we decide to leave it alone and let what happens happen?

It is often pointed out those of society who are not successful (as measured by material wealth) are not necessarily there for lack of trying. It is also pointed out that the system that we have allows for some individuals to abuse the system.

Nossy, I believe, brought up the thought of what if the individual makes a mistake, or gets sick and that puts them in a financial hole next to impossible to drag themselves out of. I look at my own family and see those who dropped out of High School for <insert their reason here>. Or I see other family who are strung out on <insert their drug u choice here>. Where do we draw the line of the place a person is in life is due to the choices that they make? Where do we "save" them from themselves?

Is it the government's place to take care of us...feed us...clothe us...and give us something to do so that we don't become destructive? Where does a society balance compassion with tough love?

~Jeordam


As you can probably tell from my thread below, I don't much believe in taking care of the less fortunate. We are all the sums of our choices and where we are in life is the result. Need help because you had 6 kids and have no job? Not my worry. Need help because you are in massive debt because you lived beyond your means? You will get no help from me. People with disabilities and children are really the only people who get my sympathy and my help. If you are in full possession of all your faculties, and are poor and don't want to be there, that's not my concern and shouldn't be the government's either. Fight! Struggle! Learn hard work, perseverance. Make smart choices. That's all life comes down to. Our choices.

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Liberalism has officially failed - Poverty reaches 1960 levels - - 04/04/2013 12:33:15 AM 1411 Views
As has Conservatism. - 04/04/2013 12:37:23 AM 863 Views
I know it hurts.....but the truth about liberalism will set you free! - 04/04/2013 12:42:57 AM 984 Views
Have you ever tried to fish when really hungry? - 04/04/2013 06:32:17 AM 922 Views
HA! HA! In your dreams that's how liberalism works. How about..... - 04/04/2013 04:59:33 PM 850 Views
and lo, Jesus said unto the poor gathered to him: "begone freeloaders! the wealthy need more money" - 04/04/2013 06:43:32 PM 949 Views
Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:20:06 PM 937 Views
Re: Interestingly enough.... - 04/04/2013 09:31:27 PM 922 Views
Well here is where theology gets fun.... - 04/04/2013 09:48:50 PM 964 Views
The entire post...as well as many of the sub-threads....prompts the question of: - 04/04/2013 09:39:16 PM 973 Views
it depends on what your definition of "succeed" is i guess.... - 04/04/2013 10:27:30 PM 1042 Views
And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 10:54:08 PM 1019 Views
Re: And that is certainly your opinion.... - 04/04/2013 11:57:34 PM 1084 Views
Hmm good questions - 04/04/2013 10:29:45 PM 1002 Views
you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:44:47 PM 934 Views
Re: you contradicted yourself - 04/04/2013 10:54:35 PM 1007 Views
i think i understand where you're coming from.... - 05/04/2013 07:33:32 PM 976 Views
I see the problem - 04/04/2013 06:45:53 PM 930 Views
since you don't trust the gov't, what are you doing to help the poor survive? - 04/04/2013 12:58:49 AM 1008 Views
A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 04:15:32 AM 920 Views
Re: A few serious answers, if you can handle them..... - 04/04/2013 06:42:00 PM 1061 Views
Perhaps its time to try a little fact checking. - 04/04/2013 03:34:44 AM 1195 Views
I'm happy you agree with me, liberalism has failed and it's time for something different. - 04/04/2013 03:47:17 AM 884 Views
Oh the cleverness of you. - 04/04/2013 03:52:07 AM 1073 Views
Wow, I'm shocked. Yes, let's stick with the failed status quo. Good plan! - 04/04/2013 04:17:32 AM 833 Views
Who said anything about the status quo? I just said I didn't agree with your solution. *NM* - 04/04/2013 04:19:37 AM 540 Views
Then time to step up, what's your idea? - 04/04/2013 04:22:58 AM 825 Views
As you might say, "What do you expect, a free ride?" - 04/04/2013 11:45:02 AM 1089 Views
How typicaly conservative! And no. - 04/04/2013 02:05:00 PM 879 Views
Agreed and this is how we will finance such a move - 04/04/2013 04:01:46 AM 977 Views
I'm glad you agree! - 04/04/2013 04:21:25 AM 892 Views
No, in Europe, liberalism is generally successful - 04/04/2013 06:15:34 AM 887 Views
Liberalism & Conservatism 'officially fail' about ever other year I've noticed, still around though *NM* - 04/04/2013 09:02:42 AM 462 Views
Yes. I wonder if there will ever be an age of fiscally responsible/conservative liberals. - 05/04/2013 03:41:09 AM 957 Views
I guess it depends on how you define the terms - 05/04/2013 08:52:25 AM 1127 Views
*nod* - 05/04/2013 01:30:47 PM 965 Views
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Off topic: are you gardening yet? - 05/04/2013 02:25:06 PM 808 Views
Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 03:21:25 PM 795 Views
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I didn't know they make LED grow lights! - 06/04/2013 12:18:25 AM 1055 Views
It's a bit newer because of the price, that's been dropping - 06/04/2013 01:20:10 AM 966 Views
Re: Initial stuff - 05/04/2013 11:11:12 PM 1065 Views
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Yes, the logical step is to go for Nordic style socialism. - 04/04/2013 03:19:17 PM 953 Views
well that and a tiny homogenous population funded by large oil reserves - 04/04/2013 06:57:51 PM 908 Views
Eh, you're describing norway. - 04/04/2013 08:11:25 PM 852 Views
The Economist (of all people) was singing the praises of the Nordic countries recently. - 04/04/2013 08:49:36 PM 953 Views
Hey, guess what? - 04/04/2013 08:55:59 PM 860 Views
Awesome. - 04/04/2013 09:22:13 PM 786 Views
Oh my gosh! - 04/04/2013 09:27:17 PM 802 Views
Yes! - 04/04/2013 09:33:45 PM 837 Views
Yay! - 04/04/2013 09:37:40 PM 914 Views
We're Maryland, actually, as I recall. - 04/04/2013 10:15:49 PM 841 Views
Eh survival of the fittest - 04/04/2013 06:18:52 PM 977 Views
Excuse me? - 04/04/2013 08:42:24 PM 892 Views
Cry me a river - 04/04/2013 08:55:40 PM 916 Views
Funny. - 04/04/2013 09:18:15 PM 908 Views
Re: Funny. - 04/04/2013 10:19:35 PM 907 Views
good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:38:45 PM 919 Views
Re: good for you for making it but you are so full of bullshit - 04/04/2013 10:49:14 PM 934 Views
Wow. - 04/04/2013 11:27:06 PM 898 Views
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congrats on being part of the problem.... *NM* - 05/04/2013 04:48:58 AM 495 Views
It's pointless to argue with those who don't understand the psychology of generational poverty. *NM* - 05/04/2013 03:43:40 AM 459 Views
Clearly. *NM* - 05/04/2013 07:32:21 PM 416 Views
Oh the "it's nobody's fault excuse" - 05/04/2013 08:56:51 PM 863 Views
Get back to me when you know wtf you're talking about. *NM* - 05/04/2013 09:03:08 PM 451 Views
I'm back *NM* - 06/04/2013 01:40:47 AM 419 Views
You're over-generalizing a bit - 06/04/2013 01:49:02 AM 1020 Views

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