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MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 12/07/2013 11:59:24 PM

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Regardless, I'm not overly concerned with the minutiae because in this particular case (State vs. Zimmerman), the self-defense claim is built on several conflicting reports from Zimmerman himself and it's quite obvious they are simply an attempt to justify the homicide. In this particular case against Zimmerman there is no justification for homicide and that is why I believe he will get manslaughter rather than murder.

Zimmerman's claim that Martin was on top of him beating him up is based on physical evidence (wounds to Z, no wounds to M) and eye witness account. There is absolutely no impartial evidence as to who started the physical alteration. Zimmerman's story of being attacked by Martin has never wavered, supported by the physical evidence, and the history of Zimmerman's interaction with the police when he was reluctant to approach other suspicious individuals in the past (BTW: he has been a concealed car permit holder for 4 years, so he was probably armed then too).

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Looks like Zimmerman is going to be acquitted..... Anonymous2000 - 09/07/2013 08:54:18 PM 1185 Views
I've figured this since the first week of testamony imlad - 09/07/2013 09:06:59 PM 826 Views
I'm not sure someone being punished excessively is a good reason to mimic it Isaac - 09/07/2013 10:26:51 PM 591 Views
Excellent response, you covered everything I would have wanted to. *NM* A Deathwatch Guard - 10/07/2013 06:48:15 PM 290 Views
Thanks *NM* Isaac - 11/07/2013 01:35:15 AM 239 Views
Nutty reply by you as usual.....but..... Anonymous2000 - 09/07/2013 10:36:45 PM 660 Views
coming from your side of the aisle, I take that as a compliment. :-) imlad - 11/07/2013 12:18:07 AM 799 Views
All right, let's talk about Yoda, this so-called 'wise' Jedi Grandmaster Isaac - 11/07/2013 01:34:57 AM 545 Views
Yep that Yoda. ranagrande - 11/07/2013 02:26:03 AM 698 Views
It is a time-honoured US criminal justice tradition after all Jay Sherman - 10/07/2013 10:06:35 PM 516 Views
The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. Tom - 10/07/2013 10:58:50 PM 531 Views
Re: The prosecution has been terrible in this case. It reminds me of the OJ prosecution. imlad - 11/07/2013 12:20:39 AM 666 Views
When one person is on top of another beating him up..... Anonymous2000 - 11/07/2013 04:22:02 AM 592 Views
As a person who has been trying not to follow the case Roland00 - 11/07/2013 04:07:01 PM 595 Views
Yeah, but you are forgetting something rather important HyogaRott - 11/07/2013 06:41:54 PM 617 Views
I am sorry but that is not quite true Roland00 - 11/07/2013 07:10:19 PM 622 Views
Go review the timeline it is available online. *NM* HyogaRott - 11/07/2013 07:22:43 PM 231 Views
I am having a hard time believing that you can justifiably kill in a fight you started and lost Jay Sherman - 11/07/2013 09:51:00 PM 503 Views
It is a tough legal argument but it can occur. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 01:24:11 AM 528 Views
Home defense is an entirely separate situation than an aggressor losing a fight Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 10:13:42 PM 580 Views
It really isn't too hard to find, if you bother to look. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 11:41:35 PM 1030 Views
I understand the theory, and military court is not quite the same as common law, yes? Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 11:52:54 PM 585 Views
MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 11:59:24 PM 598 Views
Re: MIlitary courts are also based on common law, just shifted for military realities Jay Sherman - 13/07/2013 12:21:06 AM 602 Views
I will stipulate to everything you just said, but disagree with your conclusion. HyogaRott - 13/07/2013 12:58:10 AM 581 Views
Stumbled accross the actual Florida statute that explicitly covers what I described. HyogaRott - 15/07/2013 04:28:06 PM 870 Views
There is no call for self-defense for a fight you initiated yourself Jay Sherman - 11/07/2013 06:34:46 PM 601 Views
Once again, following someone doesn't justify assault. Anonymous2000 - 11/07/2013 07:34:09 PM 493 Views
Thank god the perpetrator got shot Roland00 - 11/07/2013 07:48:12 PM 544 Views
And once again, when did Zimmerman identify himself as the neighbourhood watchman? Jay Sherman - 11/07/2013 08:59:28 PM 582 Views
He was under no legal obligation to do so. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 01:39:45 AM 554 Views
He was also under no legal obligation to follow Martin, despite being neighbourhood watchman Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 05:15:00 PM 704 Views
Except that there is exactly zero evidence to support your scenario. HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 06:00:05 PM 616 Views
If you don't care one way or the other, why are you arguing so strongly for acquittal? Jay Sherman - 12/07/2013 10:06:00 PM 537 Views
You covered several areas... HyogaRott - 12/07/2013 11:28:18 PM 561 Views
A couple of points... Jay Sherman - 13/07/2013 12:15:47 AM 611 Views
I have to disagree about the manslaughter HyogaRott - 13/07/2013 12:45:32 AM 494 Views
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