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C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here. nossy Send a noteboard - 20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM

That isn't what he meant, and I think you know it. Seriously, if you don't, I'm confused.

There was a lot more to the speech. For example:


"You know, when Trayvon Martin was first shot I said that this could have been my son. Another way of saying that is: Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago," he said.

"And when you think about why, in the African American community at least, there's a lot of pain around what happened here, I think it's important to recognize that the African American community is looking at this issue through a set of experiences and a history that doesn't go away."


Emphasis mine. Please don't downplay that. It's not distant enough history.

More:


"There are very few African American men in this country who haven't had the experience of being followed when they were shopping in a department store. That includes me," he said.

"There are very few African American men who haven't had the experience of walking across the street and hearing the locks click on the doors of cars. That happened to me – at least before I was a senator.

"There are very few African Americans who haven't had the experience of getting on an elevator and a woman clutching her purse nervously and holding her breath until she had a chance to get off. That happens often."

He added: "And I don't want to exaggerate this, but those sets of experiences inform how the African American community interprets what happened one night in Florida. And it's inescapable for people to bring those experiences to bear."


Do you think he's wrong? I know he isn't, because I have seen the first happen, and I have done the second two (or versions of them - call it a heightened wariness based on color) myself. I'm not proud of it; it's a reaction I can't always help, depending on where I am, what the person looks like, etc.

Please stop cherry-picking; if you dislike all he said, let's talk about that. Taking the worst possible view of Trayvon's personality and then accusing the president of sympathizing with that is disingenuous.

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I can't like your reply enough. *NM* - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 347 Views
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We will also have to agree to disagree. - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 847 Views
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There will always be something "more important." *NM* - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 315 Views
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That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 371 Views
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As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 318 Views
That's not very nice. - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 732 Views
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Its unfortunate you see us the way you do - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 745 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 672 Views
No, but he could have. - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 636 Views

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