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It is if you sidestep my point. nossy Send a noteboard - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM

View original postShould he spend time discussing Kim Kardashian's child? There are things with which a President should concern himself. A homicide trial is not one of them. A tragedy happened. If he wants to deal with the omnipresent specter of race in America, there are better methods than comparing himself to Martin. Let the dead lie. As you can see in the posts in this thread, people are quick to attack the deceased; I doubt they would be so inclined if this case were not so politically charged.

I agree with much of what you said here, but people are too stuck on the "comparison", and I don't think Obama concerned himself with the trial - I think he concerned himself with the people who are seriously upset because they don't understand the outcome. People who are demonstrating and protesting - actions that seem serious enough that we'd expect the president to speak up. I disagree with you that this isn't the time to possibly start the race discourse, given that it is very much at the forefront. Obama basically said that we need to start looking at how we are going to handle the discussion, and I agree with that.

Of course, I have the luck not to have been in the states for all of the drama, so it may all hit me differently.


View original postIt's late and I am not writing well. Suffice it to say that I have grown very tired of the moral outrage displayed by people whose sole contribution to social justice is their annual donation to the food bank. I am probably unfairly taking this exasperation out on you.

Well, I don't feel attacked, but even if I did absolutely nothing to support social justice, arguing against the attitudes I see in this post should count for something. If anything, I hope I managed to make people think. Just to satisfy my curiosity though, what kind of things do you do?
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There will always be something "more important." *NM* - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 387 Views
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It is if you sidestep my point. - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 782 Views
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