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It is the truth, though. Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM

Race is a social construct. We've known that for ages. Do you really think taxi drivers looked at Obama and said "oh, he's biracial?" Do you think waitresses looked at him and thought "Oh, he's biracial. He's not like African-Americans, who don't leave tips, so I'll serve him well?"

His experience has been almost unilaterally that of a black man. Handwaving away the difficulties he's faced as an African-American man in the States by calling him "biracial" is pretty offensive.

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"Trayvon Martin could have been me." President Obama MrFarstrider - 19/07/2013 11:27:21 PM 1677 Views
My interpretation is that he's being incredibly racist...against blacks A Deathwatch Guard - 19/07/2013 11:52:37 PM 1052 Views
I think you're right MrFarstrider - 19/07/2013 11:54:41 PM 938 Views
From the litlle I heard on NPR I had a couple real problems with it random thoughts - 20/07/2013 12:53:40 AM 1006 Views
Would he just shut up about it already? *pukes a little in mouth* *NM* everynametaken - 20/07/2013 04:20:07 AM 421 Views
Yeah. As someone who voted for Obama and would do so again, this is embarrassing. Ghavrel - 20/07/2013 10:10:53 AM 863 Views
Ditto. Except I didn't vote for him a second time. everynametaken - 21/07/2013 01:34:54 AM 967 Views
Does it matter now? Martin is still dead and Zimmerman will stay free. It's over. Tom - 20/07/2013 04:24:43 AM 867 Views
It makes a great deal of difference MrFarstrider - 20/07/2013 04:40:55 AM 927 Views
C'mon guys. It's sounding very "I'm not a racist, I swear!" in here. nossy - 20/07/2013 03:32:08 PM 1058 Views
I can't like your reply enough. *NM* Rebekah - 20/07/2013 03:42:00 PM 430 Views
"I am not a racist I swear it" is what we are reduced for not agreeing on race random thoughts - 20/07/2013 04:44:52 PM 934 Views
No. As I'll say to Isaac in a minute, I'll apologize for lumping everyone in nossy - 20/07/2013 08:06:49 PM 913 Views
for me his about what will work not what is fair random thoughts - 22/07/2013 06:06:13 PM 972 Views
It has to be both. Period. Nobody will accept someone else trying to change them nossy - 22/07/2013 07:29:15 PM 995 Views
sorry I don't see where he says a change in behaviour is part of the solution random thoughts - 23/07/2013 06:29:16 PM 861 Views
He did not talk about the case nossy - 23/07/2013 07:32:44 PM 873 Views
A touch over the top don't you think? Isaac - 20/07/2013 05:20:21 PM 895 Views
One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense nossy - 20/07/2013 09:09:45 PM 904 Views
Re: One comment, maybe. If anyone has taken offense Isaac - 20/07/2013 11:53:08 PM 940 Views
As mentioned nossy - 21/07/2013 12:18:14 AM 959 Views
Re: As mentioned Isaac - 21/07/2013 02:25:30 PM 892 Views
You just EXACTLY quoted the point I was making MrFarstrider - 20/07/2013 06:04:25 PM 977 Views
Em... not so sure I did. nossy - 20/07/2013 10:19:54 PM 812 Views
I think he's wrong for continuing to talk about it, and doing so in this manner A Deathwatch Guard - 21/07/2013 06:59:11 AM 1026 Views
We will also have to agree to disagree. nossy - 21/07/2013 10:25:13 AM 1034 Views
There are more important things for him to be focusing on, I think. That said, I think you're right. *NM* Ghavrel - 21/07/2013 08:16:34 AM 430 Views
There will always be something "more important." *NM* nossy - 21/07/2013 10:25:46 AM 400 Views
That's specious reasoning. Ghavrel - 21/07/2013 12:02:17 PM 855 Views
It is if you sidestep my point. nossy - 21/07/2013 05:15:19 PM 812 Views
I am of two minds on the issue. *edit* Avendesora - 21/07/2013 02:04:48 PM 938 Views
Well, that's good. I feel like I'm working on 3 or 4 at this point. nossy - 21/07/2013 05:41:21 PM 993 Views
People do forget that he's only half black - and more importantly, not "African American" at all. Legolas - 21/07/2013 07:08:28 PM 856 Views
I'm one of those annoying people who corrects others with "biracial". Avendesora - 22/07/2013 08:03:10 PM 962 Views
That's not appropriate. Obama identifies as black. *NM* Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:22:06 AM 458 Views
So do lots of white kids. nossy - 23/07/2013 08:50:12 AM 812 Views
It is the truth, though. Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:30:53 PM 861 Views
I do not agree. nossy - 23/07/2013 07:06:33 PM 899 Views
Because he has publicly said that he has lived the life of a black man. Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 06:12:27 AM 791 Views
I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has. nossy - 24/07/2013 08:21:04 AM 995 Views
Re: I'm not saying he hasn't. In fact, I've said too many times in this thread that he has. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 02:22:58 PM 924 Views
I know, and I find that weird. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 12:57:39 PM 911 Views
This is a complex issue. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 01:09:00 PM 834 Views
Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. Ghavrel - 23/07/2013 06:28:41 PM 822 Views
Yes nossy - 23/07/2013 07:11:54 PM 979 Views
Re: Because he looks black, he's been treated like a black person. Avendesora - 23/07/2013 11:31:03 PM 809 Views
Yes, Obama was raised by white people. Wikipedia says so, so it must be true! *NM* Macharius - 24/07/2013 04:16:31 AM 444 Views
Perusing. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 04:02:53 AM 942 Views
That makes sense. Generally, though, one should go by whatever the person in question identifies as. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 06:13:28 AM 417 Views
I noticed the press wasn't aboard with idea when it came to Zimmerman random thoughts - 24/07/2013 12:49:00 PM 875 Views
Which is silly, because anyone can be racist. You are right, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 24/07/2013 10:32:55 PM 407 Views
No, only white people can be racist. /sarcasm Macharius - 25/07/2013 04:38:13 PM 908 Views
No, not really. Ghavrel - 26/07/2013 07:40:45 AM 801 Views
I've thought about this a lot recently (prejudice + power = racism). nossy - 26/07/2013 10:36:16 AM 1075 Views
so some liberal ivory tower racist redefined the word to mean they were no racist random thoughts - 26/07/2013 01:16:48 PM 883 Views
My reply to Nossy above. Avendesora - 24/07/2013 02:25:49 PM 851 Views
As always, the voice of reason when I am about to discount the US as fucking mental. *NM* ironclad - 21/07/2013 03:17:15 PM 393 Views
That's not very nice. MrFarstrider - 21/07/2013 09:03:55 PM 957 Views
No, probably not. ironclad - 21/07/2013 10:01:36 PM 866 Views
Its unfortunate you see us the way you do MrFarstrider - 22/07/2013 06:05:30 AM 919 Views
So Obama smoked weed, punched school bus drivers, and got arrested for theft? Anonymous2000 - 21/07/2013 05:10:26 AM 842 Views
No, but he could have. jh - 21/07/2013 01:08:26 PM 801 Views
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