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When gerrymandering there is no tomorrow, just the current decade Isaac Send a noteboard - 07/10/2013 07:29:39 PM

View original postNot that the Dems are innocent in that particular game, of course. It's times like those that America's federalism can be a curse - it might be rather easier to end that practice once and for all if you could just do it on the federal level.

The dem gerrymandered districts are much more visually gerrymandered, they look like Ink Blot tests or the blood spatter pattern on a wall after, presumably, one of the redistrict committee blew their own brains out in frustration. The caveat on that, to be fair, is that Blue territory is very compact, much less than 1% of the land area, so when they're gerrymandering its much more visually obscene then the GOP's large rural versions. The GOP can add a pretty red chunk by just grafting on an entire rural county of 50k people that's bigger then NYC, the Dems usually need to slice down an urban road half a mile wide to get to a spot a mile in diameter that's got a demographical tilt to them and 100k people.

In any event both sides do it as much as they can whenever they can, and the population is so mobile in address and outlook over a decade between census and redistricting that planning for 'tomorrow' is an exercise in futility. People often talk about changing up districing so it was more objective and computer-controlled but that's not the answer. The better answer is to draw up visually appropriate districts all about 50-200% of the ideal size and just give reps a vote that isn't 1. Then you just divide an area into 2 if it jumps above twice the ideal and otherwise my congressmen has 1.22 votes, or 122 votes or whatever an our neighboring district has .965 or 97 or whatever and the next census the districts don't change, just the voting power does. So long as all the districts are close enough in size that you don't have some congressmen with 10 times as many people getting his speaking time on the floor curtailed for some minor district it works out just fine and its not like having a congressmen have 1,235,768 votes while the guy next to him has 789,123 votes would be a huge calculation issue. Not only could the simplest computer keep a running tab of their total votes faster then they could raise their hand or push a button but even a single clerk having to do sums out of a table with pencil and paper could do the bloody math in minutes on the off chance the capital needed to vote after a massive EMP strike blew out even hand calculators.


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View original postYou're kidding right? You think this is the swan song for the GOP? We had a shutdown every year from '76 to 90, then a five year gap, then it got shelved for a while because that one wasn't especially effective and we had 2 major wars in full swing. People never give a shit about this stuff a few months later, frankly its just a slow news cycle especially on politics. Eventually a deal will be reached, someone will come out a head though both sides will proclaim victory. Some dems will shout how it was a great triumph for Obama, some will scream that he rolled too easily, some GOP will claim the Republicans taught the libs a lesson, other will bellow Boehner and the RINOs rolled on them.


View original postWhat do you think about the debt threshold though? Ten days until Default Day, isn't it? That puts rather a strong time limit on this shutdown, because unlike shutdowns (if you believe that), defaults are not exactly something harmless with a long tradition. Do you figure they'll get a deal on that while still letting the shutdown run on?

Well we have actually defaulted before, back in spring of 1979 between two of the shutdowns. Something of an 'oops' moment more than brinksmanship but there is precedent. As to now, well I've no Crystal Ball. People are currently blaming the GOP more than the president as an average thing but they're both taking hits from the indies, obviously most GOP and Dem blame it entirely on the other side and they can bank on that support no matter how the wind blows. The indies though see this as a shads of gray argument with POTUS defending his unpopular bill and the GOP just being obstinate. In large measure the GOP's faring slightly worse in the public eye because Obama is seen as such a weak-kneed negotiator, especially post Syria/Russia that its assumed they are the ones not compromising since they think he rolls in a stiff breeze. As it drags on, I'd guess the GOP will be publicly saying what it wants and Obama will have to explain why he is standing his ground. If the GOP says "We want, in exchange for funding Obamacare, a removal of all the Exec Branch waivers granted from it" odds are good POTUS is screwed. The public is inclined to view those waivers as unfair and if he doesn't roll on them, in part, it makes Obamacare look even worse along with his position and makes it more like him desperately defending bad policy that has his name literally on it.

That's what I'd do anyway, demand all current and future waivers be subject to congressional approval within 90 days of it being granted by the exec and that congress can waiver anyone it wants by majority in both houses. It might not work and they might not do it. The government might shut down in 10 days, ask me in 11 and I'll tell you

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Government "shutdown" my ass..... - 06/10/2013 06:48:02 PM 1495 Views
Why would your government shut down your ass? - 06/10/2013 08:03:57 PM 966 Views
Actually, it is... - 07/10/2013 04:12:30 AM 928 Views
Must we do this again? - 07/10/2013 05:45:00 AM 910 Views
Not to mention they've gerrymandered like there's no tomorrow. - 07/10/2013 05:49:23 PM 810 Views
I hope we do default. - 07/10/2013 07:04:24 PM 813 Views
Uhm. - 07/10/2013 09:09:45 PM 706 Views
Well it has been 70 years since we had a World War - 07/10/2013 09:37:14 PM 882 Views
You see in America we don't shoot stupid - 08/10/2013 06:59:53 AM 708 Views
never going to happen - 08/10/2013 01:13:10 PM 908 Views
When gerrymandering there is no tomorrow, just the current decade - 07/10/2013 07:29:39 PM 790 Views
I'm curious as to why you say "unpopular bill" here - 08/10/2013 09:02:49 AM 817 Views
Force of habit or slip of tongue, "Unpopular set of laws" - 08/10/2013 03:05:18 PM 816 Views
Ha! - 09/10/2013 08:37:25 AM 832 Views
Bad enough, no? - 08/10/2013 06:32:06 PM 659 Views
Certainly - 08/10/2013 08:23:34 PM 895 Views
give a coherent reason for the shutdown and the label of economic terrorist will go away - 07/10/2013 08:11:27 PM 922 Views
Why should I try to discourage you from using a label that makes you look like a fanatic? - 07/10/2013 09:23:40 PM 801 Views
i guess i should have put the disclaimer you asked for so you would know to be offended, is that it? - 07/10/2013 10:49:43 PM 787 Views
It's pretty fucking sad any of us think we need a reason to act civilly, courtesy is its own reward *NM* - 08/10/2013 07:50:00 AM 473 Views
So you mean I shouldn't call you "an uncle fucking horsefucker" then? - 08/10/2013 09:04:06 AM 738 Views
That's correct Larry, that would be unproductive - 08/10/2013 04:04:39 PM 818 Views
Of course it would; I rarely use such words toward people who might be still involved in a convo - 09/10/2013 08:39:22 AM 731 Views
Re: Of course it would; [...] - 09/10/2013 05:25:28 PM 774 Views
hey, i've given plenty of reasonable alternatives, i don't see why you can't compromise with me *NM* - 08/10/2013 10:09:44 PM 400 Views
Compromises? You've called my party terrorists and made it clear it wasn't hyperbole in your eyes - 08/10/2013 10:23:05 PM 812 Views
read what you wrote, direct it at your party, and look up "satire" if you still don't get it..... *NM* - 08/10/2013 10:43:31 PM 501 Views
It's always painful when people think they're being funny or clever rather than sullen - 08/10/2013 11:33:36 PM 755 Views
remember that time when the Dems shut down the government to stop the iraq war? oh wait.... - 09/10/2013 12:42:53 AM 797 Views
Probably a bad analogy pick, many of the Dem-initiated shutdowns were over defense spending - 09/10/2013 01:11:38 AM 715 Views
That's about it. - 09/10/2013 12:36:30 AM 641 Views
Also, I wish you wouldn't egg them on - 07/10/2013 05:46:20 AM 770 Views
While I agree with your sentiment, "Big Government" is not a cause. - 07/10/2013 03:34:40 PM 974 Views
Wow. Been a long time since we had a thread like this. I like it! :-) *NM* - 10/10/2013 03:55:50 AM 425 Views

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