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Agreed Isaac Send a noteboard - 09/12/2013 05:38:36 PM

View original postI'm still quite divided by Snowden.


View original postHe said out loud what many have suspected for some time. But something about it still bothers me.

Same, there is a feeling, I think, that his motivations weren't particularly brave or pure, and that he hadn't really exhausted legitimate channels first. I'm glad the excesses are coming to light, but his flight, justified by fairly over the top claims of fear of torture and assassination, all couple to other things making him seem less a whistle blower and more anti-American. As soon as he was a international celebrity his most ethical choice would have been to come home and face the music, torture and assassination obviously being off the table at that point, though I don't think they ever were.

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Guardian person of the year kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 02:52:49 PM 1044 Views
Good choice. Snowden is a true patriot. The Shrike - 09/12/2013 03:13:15 PM 659 Views
You know.... Jeordam - 09/12/2013 04:11:09 PM 641 Views
It's because I have libertarian(ish) leanings that The Shrike - 09/12/2013 04:36:13 PM 716 Views
Agreed Isaac - 09/12/2013 05:38:36 PM 658 Views
Why go to prison when you know you've done the right thing? The Shrike - 09/12/2013 06:25:46 PM 605 Views
To prove it was the right thing? Isaac - 09/12/2013 07:12:34 PM 596 Views
Better to be free in Russia than rot in some American prison kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 09:10:20 PM 567 Views
Better for who? Isaac - 09/12/2013 09:51:09 PM 642 Views
Perhaps more in the eyes of the Americans? kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 11:10:10 PM 640 Views
In this context American opinion is the important one, since it is US policy under discussion Isaac - 09/12/2013 11:41:07 PM 644 Views
It would have been the right thing, and best for the anti-NSA movement A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:07:49 AM 651 Views
He did kind of lose his credibility by running to Moscow. Legolas - 09/12/2013 06:58:48 PM 595 Views
Running off to a police state to complain about a growing police state does harm credibility Isaac - 09/12/2013 07:30:59 PM 591 Views
Screw that. He's not obligated to martyr himself. beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:23:43 PM 593 Views
I think he would make a fine martyr *NM* random thoughts - 11/12/2013 07:15:51 PM 310 Views
We're discussing this in terms of "Person of the Year" *NM* Isaac - 11/12/2013 08:20:22 PM 302 Views
Of course he isn't. It's his own credibility and he can do what he likes with it. *NM* Legolas - 11/12/2013 10:00:59 PM 276 Views
Snowden deserves a bullet in the head for his betrayal of the US. Tom - 10/12/2013 03:42:37 PM 665 Views
In another news: Is Edward Snowden The Hottest Whistleblower? kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 09:15:34 PM 712 Views
But if he was sincerely hot, he would have come back to be on America's Next Top Model. *NM* Burr - 10/12/2013 02:33:02 AM 533 Views
Well... Wibble - 10/12/2013 01:07:46 AM 702 Views
Snowden is most despicable? A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:11:35 AM 660 Views
Re: Well... kHz1000 - 11/12/2013 12:54:52 AM 669 Views
It's the Guardian, so this isn't very surprising or conclusive A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:15:56 AM 621 Views
I couldn't agree more kHz1000 - 11/12/2013 12:47:25 AM 557 Views
I'm hardly knowledgeable on the topic A Deathwatch Guard - 12/12/2013 09:49:10 AM 653 Views
While i have mixed feelings about Snowden Stephen - 12/12/2013 04:56:37 PM 601 Views
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