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He did kind of lose his credibility by running to Moscow. Legolas Send a noteboard - 09/12/2013 06:58:48 PM

View original postSame, there is a feeling, I think, that his motivations weren't particularly brave or pure, and that he hadn't really exhausted legitimate channels first. I'm glad the excesses are coming to light, but his flight, justified by fairly over the top claims of fear of torture and assassination, all couple to other things making him seem less a whistle blower and more anti-American. As soon as he was a international celebrity his most ethical choice would have been to come home and face the music, torture and assassination obviously being off the table at that point, though I don't think they ever were.

Even if that was the only valid option to stay free - it just makes it look as if he cared more about discrediting the US than improving it. Or didn't mind being blatantly used by those who do, anyway. Even Cuba or Ecuador would have been better (though not Venezuela).
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Guardian person of the year kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 02:52:49 PM 1448 Views
Good choice. Snowden is a true patriot. The Shrike - 09/12/2013 03:13:15 PM 1020 Views
You know.... Jeordam - 09/12/2013 04:11:09 PM 1015 Views
It's because I have libertarian(ish) leanings that The Shrike - 09/12/2013 04:36:13 PM 1111 Views
Agreed Isaac - 09/12/2013 05:38:36 PM 1035 Views
Why go to prison when you know you've done the right thing? The Shrike - 09/12/2013 06:25:46 PM 987 Views
To prove it was the right thing? Isaac - 09/12/2013 07:12:34 PM 983 Views
Better to be free in Russia than rot in some American prison kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 09:10:20 PM 985 Views
Better for who? Isaac - 09/12/2013 09:51:09 PM 1028 Views
Perhaps more in the eyes of the Americans? kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 11:10:10 PM 1028 Views
In this context American opinion is the important one, since it is US policy under discussion Isaac - 09/12/2013 11:41:07 PM 1016 Views
It would have been the right thing, and best for the anti-NSA movement A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:07:49 AM 1068 Views
He did kind of lose his credibility by running to Moscow. Legolas - 09/12/2013 06:58:48 PM 954 Views
Running off to a police state to complain about a growing police state does harm credibility Isaac - 09/12/2013 07:30:59 PM 998 Views
Screw that. He's not obligated to martyr himself. beetnemesis - 11/12/2013 06:23:43 PM 984 Views
I think he would make a fine martyr *NM* random thoughts - 11/12/2013 07:15:51 PM 487 Views
We're discussing this in terms of "Person of the Year" *NM* Isaac - 11/12/2013 08:20:22 PM 483 Views
Of course he isn't. It's his own credibility and he can do what he likes with it. *NM* Legolas - 11/12/2013 10:00:59 PM 462 Views
Snowden deserves a bullet in the head for his betrayal of the US. Tom - 10/12/2013 03:42:37 PM 1045 Views
In another news: Is Edward Snowden The Hottest Whistleblower? kHz1000 - 09/12/2013 09:15:34 PM 1114 Views
But if he was sincerely hot, he would have come back to be on America's Next Top Model. *NM* Burr - 10/12/2013 02:33:02 AM 822 Views
Well... Wibble - 10/12/2013 01:07:46 AM 1073 Views
Snowden is most despicable? A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:11:35 AM 1045 Views
Re: Well... kHz1000 - 11/12/2013 12:54:52 AM 1062 Views
It's the Guardian, so this isn't very surprising or conclusive A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2013 02:15:56 AM 1020 Views
I couldn't agree more kHz1000 - 11/12/2013 12:47:25 AM 930 Views
I'm hardly knowledgeable on the topic A Deathwatch Guard - 12/12/2013 09:49:10 AM 1048 Views
While i have mixed feelings about Snowden Stephen - 12/12/2013 04:56:37 PM 1012 Views
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