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a few facts you are neglecting moondog Send a noteboard - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM

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View original posti'm only insulting those who think that leaving bergdahl to die was the better option. as a former soldier, how would you have felt to be captured, only to be released to the cacophony of people telling you that not only should you have never been released, but that your family should be killed for allowing Obama to negotiate your freedom? maybe Obama should have staged a fake rescue operation like his predecessor so that we would have something worth arguing about....

How would I feel if this absurdly improbable scenario occurred? Honestly I'd be stupefied to find out I'd been traded for multiple high level prisoners and be expecting my peers to be demanding a damn good explanation for how I got myself isolated and taken without a fight and didn't find a way to escape or kill myself. Look, I don't mind giving this guy the benefit of the doubt to explain himself but don't let that fool you, I think he's guilty. There are slim odds he wasn't a deserter and most alternate explanations require monumental cowardice or negligence. So you're suggesting a highly implausible scenario and acting like the rest of us are barking mad for working off the more likely one. You also dodged the whole bit about the president not informing congress as he was legally bound to do. Are we worthy of insult because we're pissed the president undeniably and indisputably broke the law?


  1. Bergdahl went AWOL several times and came backof his own accord. http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140603/NEWS05/306030078/Sources-Bergdahl-may-walked-off-base-more-than-once this makes proving him guilty of desertion incredibly difficult, although he should still be afforded a hearing/trialnow that he's been released to answer the charges. his unit failed to report his leave at the time, but after the fact now they say he's a deserter. http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bergdahl-had-left-his-post-at-least-once-before-investigation-found/ it's incredibly easy to accuse someone of a crime, it's another thing entirely to actually prove it. in addition, Bergdahldidescape from the taliban -- twice -- and was recaptured -- also twice. his reward for these attempts was to be beaten and put into a cage, and also to have people like yourself question his loyalty and the terms of his release.

  2. on that note, theletterof the law says Obama is required to give 30 days notice before releasing Guantanamo detainees. however, thespiritof the law is that this was designed to make sure the entire prison wasn't emptied without Congressional notification. there is a lot of grey area between what Congress thinks they are entitled to and what the President is actually entitled to under this particular law. but that is something that can actually be debated. however, most of the vitriol against Bergdahl in this thread focused on the release of the taliban fighters, not the constitutionality of Obama's negotiations. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/06/stop_saying_that_the_exchange_of_prisoners_for_bergdahl_was_illegal_the.html

  3. those five released were due to be released at some point regardless of the prisoner exchange. it's better that they be released to do something useful like return our lone POW rather than release them with everyone else once the war winds down. their terms of release requires them to be held in Qatar for at least a year, so it's not like they're immediately re-joining the war because the war will be long done by the time they are allowed to leave their new detainment.

  4. Bergdahl's family absolutely received death threats because of his release, thus proving just how low some right wing nut jobs will sink to try to get back at Obama: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/08/us-usa-afghanistan-bergdahl-idUSKBN0EJ02720140608

so, to sum up everything: yes, you are all barking mad for trying to make Bergdahl into a scapegoat for everything you hate about Obama. the supposedly implausible scenario you scoff at absolutely has happened as i described it, and you still want to pretend Obama is vulnerable to impeachment because of the US commitment to bring home all soldiers captured in conflict.

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Obama negotiates with terrorists, gains the release of a US deserter and possible traitor. - 03/06/2014 04:44:35 AM 1309 Views
I don't think it is that cut and dry - 03/06/2014 01:00:16 PM 636 Views
It is now cut and dry, he is a deserter..... - 03/06/2014 04:18:21 PM 630 Views
Bull. Shit. - 03/06/2014 04:46:08 PM 731 Views
he has right to a trial - 03/06/2014 06:27:39 PM 594 Views
Well of course he does. I can't act as his judge, jury and executioner, either. - 03/06/2014 06:45:58 PM 739 Views
I think he is guilty as hell - 03/06/2014 11:24:02 PM 672 Views
I don't think he should have rot there, either. - 04/06/2014 04:05:18 AM 577 Views
I agree with with all of that *NM* - 04/06/2014 12:59:45 PM 359 Views
glad to see you put your politics above your country, tom - 04/06/2014 07:32:55 PM 621 Views
You're full of shit, as usual. - 04/06/2014 07:45:43 PM 580 Views
and you are more brainwashed, as usual - 04/06/2014 07:56:29 PM 593 Views
Moondog = braindead partisan hack - 04/06/2014 08:52:28 PM 543 Views
You really are stupid, aren't you? - 05/06/2014 05:26:38 PM 535 Views
thank you for having the reasonable approach to this - 03/06/2014 07:56:49 PM 600 Views
Obama is a weak fool - 03/06/2014 04:04:58 PM 562 Views
They should impeach the fucking douchebag. - 03/06/2014 04:48:28 PM 563 Views
I'm picturing you ranting to a half-empty bar as you wave a glass around, and it's amusing - 05/06/2014 03:52:15 PM 589 Views
Yeah, I don't really picture you at all. - 05/06/2014 05:20:48 PM 544 Views
Haha awww who's a Grouchy Gus today? - 05/06/2014 06:24:25 PM 542 Views
Sounds like you do picture him. *NM* - 07/06/2014 08:38:42 PM 288 Views
Serious question....as Tom mentioned.....should Obama be impeached for this? - 03/06/2014 06:55:24 PM 560 Views
stupid answer: yes, impeach Obama at your earliest convenience *NM* - 03/06/2014 08:48:28 PM 426 Views
Funny that the military top brass agrees with it, then. - 03/06/2014 08:51:48 PM 614 Views
Sec. Gates was against it when he was Sec. of Defense, Panetta said hell no. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:07:49 AM 308 Views
Yup, most top military leadership was against this reckless move. *NM* - 04/06/2014 04:26:16 AM 312 Views
STATEMENT BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF GENERAL MARTIN E. DEMPSEY - 04/06/2014 07:36:43 PM 584 Views
These people will say what Obama orders them to say. *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:17:14 AM 291 Views
Statement by Secretary of the Army John McHugh - 04/06/2014 07:37:35 PM 678 Views
lots of republicans were for Bergdahl's release before they were against it - 04/06/2014 07:42:45 PM 623 Views
you missed the one where they suggest trading high level captives for his return - 04/06/2014 09:37:22 PM 561 Views
Oh wait, that's because it doesn't exist... *NM* - 05/06/2014 06:18:11 AM 318 Views
you do know I was being sarcastic? - 05/06/2014 06:11:39 PM 681 Views
Oh yes. I was just adding to the general tone. - 06/06/2014 03:01:11 PM 557 Views
so you must know all the details since you're secretly a top-level government official? - 05/06/2014 08:41:14 PM 579 Views
was this a reply to the correct comment? *NM* - 06/06/2014 05:45:16 PM 333 Views
no *NM* - 03/06/2014 11:19:09 PM 319 Views
Guerrillas or insurgents, actually. - 04/06/2014 01:47:26 AM 733 Views
Does Bowe Bergdahl = Nicholas Brady? - 04/06/2014 04:30:02 AM 592 Views
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. - 04/06/2014 09:29:15 PM 543 Views
Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 06:21:59 AM 528 Views
Re: Absolutely not. - 05/06/2014 08:43:55 PM 549 Views
You seem to have missed the concept of "Justified" in there - 07/06/2014 11:36:25 PM 661 Views
no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 09/06/2014 09:37:49 PM 549 Views
Re: no, i'm pretty sure i got it right - 10/06/2014 03:43:49 AM 562 Views
a few facts you are neglecting - 11/06/2014 07:08:16 PM 495 Views
You may want to not paint everyone with the same brush there. - 11/06/2014 08:03:31 PM 555 Views
Thank you *NM* - 11/06/2014 11:01:58 PM 379 Views
I... don't really care, to be honest - 05/06/2014 03:17:25 PM 597 Views
I'm kinda undecided on this - 06/06/2014 03:32:16 AM 610 Views

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