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True. Though obama has his share of mistakes AgentApple Send a noteboard - 17/11/2015 07:12:28 AM

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Saddam was a douchebag, of course. No WMD, no Al Kaida, though. With him gone that country and the region fell into chaos. How can you not see that?

I can't imagine anyone claiming that we'd have such a strong IS today without the US attacking Iraq after 9/11.


Such as drawing his famous red line, then ignoring it.

His strange support for the Shiites: side lining his traditional Sunni allies in egypt and saudi arabia, the deal with iran, not supporting thesyrian rebels when it mattered. These are all major drive for the migrant crisis.

Sure, the initial destabilizing event is tge iraq war, but dont make excuses for obama.

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Obama, a few days ago - ISIS is "contained" Anonymous2000 - 14/11/2015 08:22:40 PM 1865 Views
What does one thing have to do with the other? Legolas - 14/11/2015 09:30:59 PM 1244 Views
Oh, you poor naive silly man Cannoli - 15/11/2015 12:15:48 AM 1179 Views
I quite agree it was inevitably going to happen. Doesn't stop it from being tasteless and silly. *NM* Legolas - 15/11/2015 01:29:18 AM 675 Views
Exactly. ironclad - 16/11/2015 10:01:14 AM 1613 Views
Buash and Cheney created the mess in the Middle East?Now thats funny *NM* random thoughts - 16/11/2015 01:39:32 PM 721 Views
What exactly destabilized Iraq? ironclad - 16/11/2015 02:03:19 PM 1504 Views
Does that mean you support secular dictators? Tom - 17/11/2015 01:50:52 AM 1205 Views
Bush signed the withdrawal agreement, not Obama. Vodalus - 17/11/2015 05:53:13 PM 1270 Views
stop reading crazy left wing sources random thoughts - 17/11/2015 07:24:49 PM 1260 Views
The withdrawal and its timeline were part of the 2008 SOFA signed by Bush. Vodalus - 17/11/2015 07:36:56 PM 1158 Views
Just becuase people tell you stupid things does not mean you have to believe them random thoughts - 19/11/2015 07:34:25 PM 1084 Views
Wow! I'm communicating with someone from an alternate reality. *NM* Vodalus - 19/11/2015 10:32:56 PM 753 Views
nope, just a republican moondog - 20/11/2015 12:41:15 AM 1095 Views
That kind of thinking doesn't help. Vodalus - 20/11/2015 04:21:21 AM 1158 Views
I suspect that happens to you a lot. *NM* random thoughts - 20/11/2015 07:15:42 PM 611 Views
When did you stop beating your children? moondog - 20/11/2015 12:27:59 AM 1011 Views
True. Though obama has his share of mistakes AgentApple - 17/11/2015 07:12:28 AM 1168 Views
Obama pullying troops out early random thoughts - 17/11/2015 07:22:10 PM 1073 Views
How did ISIS start in Syria? Clearly it started in Iraq. Legolas - 17/11/2015 07:50:36 PM 1232 Views
If you want to take it back far enough it began in fighting Russia in Afghanistan random thoughts - 18/11/2015 01:25:06 PM 1131 Views
I'm not sure how this is even a debate. Legolas - 18/11/2015 08:00:47 PM 1169 Views
where did they first take and any significant territory? *NM* random thoughts - 19/11/2015 07:43:19 PM 630 Views
You're an idiot *NM* TheCrownless - 14/11/2015 09:32:17 PM 700 Views
Confirmed - one of the terrorists was a "Syrian Refugee" Anonymous2000 - 15/11/2015 01:35:11 AM 1033 Views
Now they're saying the passport might be fake AgentApple - 15/11/2015 06:36:45 AM 1167 Views
Not confirmed at all ironclad - 16/11/2015 10:00:19 AM 1563 Views
I can't see how you get from A to B random thoughts - 16/11/2015 01:42:04 PM 1118 Views
I don't understand you. Tom - 17/11/2015 01:48:02 AM 1117 Views
That is because I am not against intellectualism random thoughts - 17/11/2015 07:35:17 PM 1182 Views
The fingerprints match the refugee so yes, it's confirmed. The mastermind posed as one, too. Tom - 17/11/2015 01:45:33 AM 1107 Views
78% of all Syrian "refugees" are men. Something is up. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 17/11/2015 04:03:14 AM 768 Views
And sadly, Germany is too emasculated to respond adequately. Tom - 17/11/2015 03:52:45 PM 1120 Views
Glad to disappoint you by having a heart ironclad - 17/11/2015 03:56:48 PM 1570 Views
A heart, but not a brain Tom - 20/11/2015 06:00:06 PM 1104 Views
Yup *NM* ßelals Girl - 17/11/2015 05:53:08 PM 696 Views
Well, when those who want mid-1930s Germany back are disappointed... ironclad - 17/11/2015 10:35:45 PM 1458 Views
No. You've just gone from a horrific extreme to the pathetic opposite extreme. *NM* Tom - 20/11/2015 06:08:05 PM 618 Views
Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely? Legolas - 17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM 1191 Views
Back to their home countries Tom - 17/11/2015 10:13:51 PM 1058 Views
Right. In that case, yes, they're working on that. Legolas - 17/11/2015 10:55:55 PM 1254 Views
10% acceptance for Pakistan still sounds high Tom - 18/11/2015 02:37:29 AM 1200 Views
No one says it's easy, but the alternatives are so much worse ironclad - 18/11/2015 08:18:47 AM 1614 Views
Just answer one question Tom - 20/11/2015 06:05:41 PM 1141 Views
Re: Just answer one question ironclad - 20/11/2015 10:34:35 PM 1624 Views
You're so naive. Tom - 22/11/2015 06:25:04 PM 1179 Views
Trump maintains his lead. A poll today from New Hampshire has him solidly leading. Tom - 17/11/2015 01:55:00 AM 1074 Views
Calling all liberal posters - Paris Mastermind boasts about using the refugee crisis Anonymous2000 - 17/11/2015 04:30:25 AM 1127 Views
Again, you're doing a great job for them. ironclad - 17/11/2015 08:17:09 AM 1605 Views
"Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees" Anonymous2000 - 17/11/2015 01:23:54 PM 1228 Views
Re: "Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees" DomA - 19/11/2015 11:42:12 PM 1308 Views
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...." moondog - 20/11/2015 12:37:55 AM 1245 Views
It's a fucking statue. It has nothing to do with freedom or anything of the sort. Cannoli - 20/11/2015 01:17:57 AM 1222 Views
Well said Tom - 20/11/2015 08:03:26 PM 1201 Views
For better or worse... gban007 - 21/11/2015 04:56:50 AM 1214 Views
Re: For better or worse... Cannoli - 24/11/2015 02:19:50 AM 1322 Views
Re: For better or worse... gban007 - 27/11/2015 09:51:16 PM 1386 Views
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