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Right. In that case, yes, they're working on that. Legolas Send a noteboard - 17/11/2015 10:55:55 PM

View original postThe economic refugees are from all over - Ghana, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Nigeria, and so on. Presumably (and I say this with an incredible assumption because it seems that Europe is really just acting suicidal right now) all the people from these countries with some very serious exceptions would be returned (I would imagine someone from Pakistan who could show he/she was falsely accused of burning a Qur'an and barely escaped alive would have a case for asylum).

As I recall, there are currently three countries of origin from which a large majority of asylum requests is accepted in Europe - Syria, Iraq and Eritrea (aka "the North Korea of Africa". I suppose Libya and Afghanistan would also have high rates. But other countries, indeed, those people are increasingly being sent back. I believe I saw a 10% acceptance statistic for Pakistan the other day - as you say, there are specific cases where asylum may make sense.
View original postWith respect to refugees from war zones, the only sane bare minimum policy given the overwhelming numbers is (1) no, you can't invite relatives to join you and (2) you only get a temporary right to stay until the war's over, with no automatic right to transition to permanent residency or citizenship.

For the majority, yeah. Of course it becomes more complicated in cases of unaccompanied minors etc. - or really for anyone if the war drags on several more years. And as many have pointed out, a number of Syrian immigrants would actually not be a bad thing for many places in Europe which could really use more young people - and many of the Syrian refugees are quite well-educated, perhaps because those are the ones who can gather the money to make the trip. The challenge is in integrating such numbers, teaching them the languages, etc., which will only work if they can be spread out sufficiently.
View original postEven if Europe does that, it will still have more people than it can realistically cope with. So yes, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States should do more. They can take people. If Saudi Arabia just accepted 100,000, and the Gulf States among them another 100,000, between that and deportation Europe could START to deal with the influx. Sending some others back to camps in Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon is problematic but probably has to be done.

Will only be possible at all if they get massively more funding for it, though. The Lebanese in particular have accepted insane amounts, to the tune of 25% of their population - they can hardly be expected to take more.
View original postBut seriously, these naive people like Jens are taking an easy stand right now, but when the economic effects of this influx make themselves known, how happy will everyone be? Endemic poverty among the refugees can only make the crime situation worse, and high unemployment is set to continue as the Eurozone is slipping into recession again. This whole situation is just like a huge ISIS time bomb.

Germany barely has any unemployment - in fact, has labour shortages. That obviously plays a role in what they're doing. It really depends on the country, and in the countries like Spain or Italy where unemployment is indeed high, that's more a matter of a retarded labour market organization (i.e., once you hire a young employee on a normal contract you're basically stuck with him forever unless he quits himself) than a bad economic situation per se. Though I suppose the cause doesn't matter much as long as they don't fix it.
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nope, just a republican - 20/11/2015 12:41:15 AM 652 Views
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Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely? - 17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM 732 Views
Back to their home countries - 17/11/2015 10:13:51 PM 604 Views
Right. In that case, yes, they're working on that. - 17/11/2015 10:55:55 PM 756 Views
10% acceptance for Pakistan still sounds high - 18/11/2015 02:37:29 AM 737 Views
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Just answer one question - 20/11/2015 06:05:41 PM 699 Views
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