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No one says it's easy, but the alternatives are so much worse ironclad Send a noteboard - 18/11/2015 08:18:47 AM

View original postI doubt Germany needs a ton of fifth-rate engineers who can't speak German worth shit. They'll end up as part of a dead-end underclass. They've already brought enough crime in with them; if they stay they will settle in ghettos of Arabic speakers and live on the fringes. Say that kicking them out helps ISIS all you want, but leaving them will help ISIS even more.

See and that's where you're wrong. Leaving them in keeps them away from ISIS. Of course integrating them won't be an easy feat and it's important to prevent the creation of ghettos (which may be a huge part of the reason France is where it's at today). But the ones that are met with open arms, kindness, language courses and a fighting chance in the job world will definitely not turn to IS, even if they return home later after all. Those met with mistrust and turned away from here will definitely be our future enemies on the IS side or their victims. How does that help anyone? This war won't be won by bombs alone.
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Obama, a few days ago - ISIS is "contained" Anonymous2000 - 14/11/2015 08:22:40 PM 1769 Views
What does one thing have to do with the other? Legolas - 14/11/2015 09:30:59 PM 1143 Views
Oh, you poor naive silly man Cannoli - 15/11/2015 12:15:48 AM 1089 Views
I quite agree it was inevitably going to happen. Doesn't stop it from being tasteless and silly. *NM* Legolas - 15/11/2015 01:29:18 AM 624 Views
Exactly. ironclad - 16/11/2015 10:01:14 AM 1512 Views
Buash and Cheney created the mess in the Middle East?Now thats funny *NM* random thoughts - 16/11/2015 01:39:32 PM 672 Views
What exactly destabilized Iraq? ironclad - 16/11/2015 02:03:19 PM 1381 Views
Does that mean you support secular dictators? Tom - 17/11/2015 01:50:52 AM 1097 Views
Bush signed the withdrawal agreement, not Obama. Vodalus - 17/11/2015 05:53:13 PM 1165 Views
stop reading crazy left wing sources random thoughts - 17/11/2015 07:24:49 PM 1167 Views
The withdrawal and its timeline were part of the 2008 SOFA signed by Bush. Vodalus - 17/11/2015 07:36:56 PM 1056 Views
Just becuase people tell you stupid things does not mean you have to believe them random thoughts - 19/11/2015 07:34:25 PM 978 Views
Wow! I'm communicating with someone from an alternate reality. *NM* Vodalus - 19/11/2015 10:32:56 PM 703 Views
nope, just a republican moondog - 20/11/2015 12:41:15 AM 993 Views
That kind of thinking doesn't help. Vodalus - 20/11/2015 04:21:21 AM 1056 Views
I suspect that happens to you a lot. *NM* random thoughts - 20/11/2015 07:15:42 PM 562 Views
When did you stop beating your children? moondog - 20/11/2015 12:27:59 AM 910 Views
True. Though obama has his share of mistakes AgentApple - 17/11/2015 07:12:28 AM 1065 Views
Obama pullying troops out early random thoughts - 17/11/2015 07:22:10 PM 963 Views
How did ISIS start in Syria? Clearly it started in Iraq. Legolas - 17/11/2015 07:50:36 PM 1100 Views
If you want to take it back far enough it began in fighting Russia in Afghanistan random thoughts - 18/11/2015 01:25:06 PM 1013 Views
I'm not sure how this is even a debate. Legolas - 18/11/2015 08:00:47 PM 1063 Views
where did they first take and any significant territory? *NM* random thoughts - 19/11/2015 07:43:19 PM 580 Views
You're an idiot *NM* TheCrownless - 14/11/2015 09:32:17 PM 631 Views
Confirmed - one of the terrorists was a "Syrian Refugee" Anonymous2000 - 15/11/2015 01:35:11 AM 941 Views
Now they're saying the passport might be fake AgentApple - 15/11/2015 06:36:45 AM 1075 Views
Not confirmed at all ironclad - 16/11/2015 10:00:19 AM 1430 Views
I can't see how you get from A to B random thoughts - 16/11/2015 01:42:04 PM 1021 Views
I don't understand you. Tom - 17/11/2015 01:48:02 AM 1016 Views
That is because I am not against intellectualism random thoughts - 17/11/2015 07:35:17 PM 1077 Views
The fingerprints match the refugee so yes, it's confirmed. The mastermind posed as one, too. Tom - 17/11/2015 01:45:33 AM 983 Views
78% of all Syrian "refugees" are men. Something is up. *NM* Anonymous2000 - 17/11/2015 04:03:14 AM 715 Views
And sadly, Germany is too emasculated to respond adequately. Tom - 17/11/2015 03:52:45 PM 1023 Views
Glad to disappoint you by having a heart ironclad - 17/11/2015 03:56:48 PM 1456 Views
A heart, but not a brain Tom - 20/11/2015 06:00:06 PM 1010 Views
Yup *NM* ßelals Girl - 17/11/2015 05:53:08 PM 643 Views
Well, when those who want mid-1930s Germany back are disappointed... ironclad - 17/11/2015 10:35:45 PM 1357 Views
No. You've just gone from a horrific extreme to the pathetic opposite extreme. *NM* Tom - 20/11/2015 06:08:05 PM 571 Views
Deport the economic refugees to where, precisely? Legolas - 17/11/2015 08:14:51 PM 1084 Views
Back to their home countries Tom - 17/11/2015 10:13:51 PM 957 Views
Right. In that case, yes, they're working on that. Legolas - 17/11/2015 10:55:55 PM 1138 Views
10% acceptance for Pakistan still sounds high Tom - 18/11/2015 02:37:29 AM 1083 Views
No one says it's easy, but the alternatives are so much worse ironclad - 18/11/2015 08:18:47 AM 1518 Views
Just answer one question Tom - 20/11/2015 06:05:41 PM 1038 Views
Re: Just answer one question ironclad - 20/11/2015 10:34:35 PM 1519 Views
You're so naive. Tom - 22/11/2015 06:25:04 PM 1070 Views
Trump maintains his lead. A poll today from New Hampshire has him solidly leading. Tom - 17/11/2015 01:55:00 AM 961 Views
Calling all liberal posters - Paris Mastermind boasts about using the refugee crisis Anonymous2000 - 17/11/2015 04:30:25 AM 1004 Views
Again, you're doing a great job for them. ironclad - 17/11/2015 08:17:09 AM 1491 Views
"Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees" Anonymous2000 - 17/11/2015 01:23:54 PM 1119 Views
Re: "Even if there were a handful of terrorists among the refugees" DomA - 19/11/2015 11:42:12 PM 1199 Views
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...." moondog - 20/11/2015 12:37:55 AM 1128 Views
It's a fucking statue. It has nothing to do with freedom or anything of the sort. Cannoli - 20/11/2015 01:17:57 AM 1122 Views
Well said Tom - 20/11/2015 08:03:26 PM 1107 Views
For better or worse... gban007 - 21/11/2015 04:56:50 AM 1117 Views
Re: For better or worse... Cannoli - 24/11/2015 02:19:50 AM 1233 Views
Re: For better or worse... gban007 - 27/11/2015 09:51:16 PM 1246 Views
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