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There's more to Israel than Likud - and more to Capitol Hill than AIPAC. Legolas Send a noteboard - 02/05/2017 07:37:11 PM

There's J Street, for one, and the dawning realization in AIPAC circles that they are losing young American Jews at a pretty scary rate, along with young Americans of most other backgrounds - at least, 'losing' in the sense that they won't just go along with whatever AIPAC says and will look more critically at Israel's actions before deciding whether they support it.

As for Israel, the funny thing is that the Likudnik are looking like the moderates sometimes... especially people like the president. But there's still a majority of the Israeli public which is reasonable on that topic, they're just not very focused on the conflict anymore. Which is understandable enough in many ways - and it's good news too, to the extent that it's due to greater security from terrorist attacks. Obviously not so helpful when it comes to pushing through the painful concessions that real lasting peace would require on the Israeli side as well.

It's funny, I didn't expect my first reply in this thread to be quite like this...

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Why Now Is the Time to Talk to Hamas - 02/05/2017 06:30:35 PM 1678 Views
Since Eretz Israel is still Likud's aim, and AIPAC has turned Capitol Hill into another... - 02/05/2017 07:22:09 PM 1052 Views
There's more to Israel than Likud - and more to Capitol Hill than AIPAC. - 02/05/2017 07:37:11 PM 1283 Views
But it's the Likudniks, in both countries, who have such an outsized say in matters... - 02/05/2017 08:07:11 PM 959 Views
For now. - 02/05/2017 08:31:25 PM 1226 Views
and the foreseeable future - 02/05/2017 08:55:11 PM 1036 Views
I bite my tongue - 02/05/2017 09:27:07 PM 1056 Views
Hamas is still considered a terrorist group by the US and the EU. - 02/05/2017 08:21:47 PM 1126 Views
See, that's the kind of reply I was expecting. - 02/05/2017 08:59:41 PM 1299 Views
Oh, I'd still talk to them. I just don't expect anything positive will occur with them. - 02/05/2017 09:38:47 PM 1039 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 02/05/2017 10:34:39 PM 612 Views
Depends on if you believe them or not - 02/05/2017 08:38:19 PM 1050 Views
What else can one expect from the Guardian? - 03/05/2017 03:26:08 AM 1189 Views
where people wipe their ass with their left hand *NM* - 03/05/2017 03:51:42 AM 739 Views
Unless ISIS chopped it off - 03/05/2017 05:45:09 AM 1106 Views
Talk. Exterminate. Either or really. *NM* - 03/05/2017 07:27:33 AM 559 Views
The Guardian really can't be taken seriously - 03/05/2017 03:10:24 PM 1378 Views
Fuck the Guardian. Who is supposed to talk with Hamas ? - 03/05/2017 04:11:01 PM 1091 Views

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