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Oh, I'd still talk to them. I just don't expect anything positive will occur with them. The Shrike Send a noteboard - 02/05/2017 09:38:47 PM

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View original postAnd it still won't recognize Israel or renounce the use of violence. This may seem like a step in the right direction, but it could also be a desperate ploy by a group whose sources of funding are drying up. And their paper still basically claims that all of the land Israel is now is theirs.

So does Likud's charter - that's not to equate the two, but to point out that a party's formal position on a topic as fundamental as that one doesn't necessarily tell the whole story. The direction in which it's moving is rather more significant.

Of course Hamas is now doing this to a large extent because of the difficult position they're in. But that's usually how it goes in ending this kind of conflicts, it's still an important step.

View original postI support a two state solution - with the Palestinian Authority governing both Gaza and the West Bank. The timing of this paper is interesting since I think Abbas is scheduled to meet with Trump later this week. Abbas is old and will soon be gone from the scene and Hamas smells blood in the water. They are presenting a false moderation to gain influence over the West Bank - they recently chose a hard liner as their representative in Gaza.

That's one interpretation. Another one is that they realized they had to show their goodwill to avoid becoming even more marginalized than they already are, and to some extent accept reality so as to improve their chances of remaining relevant moving forward.
View original postUntil they renounce violence and in achieving their aims, I will not believe anything from this terrorist group.

Formally renouncing violence is their last and best card to play - they'd be fools to give it up for anything less than a fully viable Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital and at least some concessions on the right of return.

And they are not wrong in pointing out that international law has such a thing as a right of armed resistance against foreign oppression - though they don't admit, of course, that armed resistance becomes indistinguishable from terrorism when it's aimed at non-combatants, as theirs often is. Still, looking at their adversaries, they can easily see that history doesn't always judge one so harshly for the terrorist acts committed to get to victory.


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Oh, I'd still talk to them. I just don't expect anything positive will occur with them. - 02/05/2017 09:38:47 PM 504 Views
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