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I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike Send a noteboard - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM

I was under the assumption there would be a vote in the EU parliament.


No, I was right. What's more, not only will there not be an election (or, well, there will be an election among the members of the European Council, i.e. the heads of government of the member states), but the European Parliament won't even have the authority to confirm or reject the result, as they do have for the President of the Commission (although until the recent debate about whether to accept Barroso for a second term, that confirmation has mostly been a formality).


elect the leader at least. And even then I would not be happy with that. This is one of the reasons the Australians rejected the referendum to become a Republic. The President would have been elected by the Senate not by the public. People want to elect leaders directly.
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A sad sad day for europe Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:13:53 PM 802 Views
Please tell me you didn't vote UKIP at least. Legolas - 03/10/2009 02:21:38 PM 809 Views
I've voted for them before yes. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:28:31 PM 824 Views
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United States of Europe! Here we come. Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:25:16 PM 846 Views
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We don't get a vote, because we would not say the right thing. So fuck democracy. Wibble - 03/10/2009 02:29:25 PM 740 Views
So I've just found out on Wikipedia. Craziness. *NM* Rebekah - 03/10/2009 02:31:04 PM 429 Views
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She never said that Floffe - 03/10/2009 11:22:43 PM 838 Views
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Hehe Rebekah - 04/10/2009 10:06:40 AM 739 Views
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Sort of. Inigo Montoya - 04/10/2009 02:19:56 AM 841 Views
What would you say is the most important effect and/or overall significance of the treaty? *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:30:29 PM 330 Views
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Thanks! *NM* Burr - 03/10/2009 02:42:04 PM 338 Views
Why on earth would you want to let Turkey in? Tom - 03/10/2009 04:05:24 PM 816 Views
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There are a few others. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:03:40 PM 739 Views
I'm sorry, but I don't really see a lot of progress Tom - 04/10/2009 03:16:42 AM 710 Views
Then you aren't looking hard enough. Legolas - 04/10/2009 07:20:39 AM 903 Views
It's the old carrot-on-a-stick technique. Tim - 04/10/2009 12:34:08 PM 734 Views
AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *NM* ßelals Girl - 03/10/2009 06:15:56 PM 354 Views
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It also puts David Cameron in a difficult position Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:11:41 PM 788 Views
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Re: Good point. Werthead - 03/10/2009 09:47:58 PM 834 Views
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hallelujah! Stephen - 04/10/2009 09:49:39 PM 820 Views
Indeed. Elaine - 05/10/2009 02:00:29 PM 786 Views
I am pleased by this. Here is hoping for an effective elected leader. The Shrike - 05/10/2009 03:20:36 PM 769 Views
Yeah, that's true... Legolas - 05/10/2009 03:42:29 PM 753 Views
So the European parliament will not elect the leader? The Shrike - 05/10/2009 05:08:25 PM 775 Views
Er, that's news to me... but let's look it up. Legolas - 05/10/2009 05:14:09 PM 735 Views
I would have rejected any treaty that would not let me elect a representative or The Shrike - 05/10/2009 06:14:46 PM 758 Views
Honestly, that would never be on the table. Legolas - 05/10/2009 06:37:25 PM 736 Views
So would most of europe. Wibble - 05/10/2009 07:22:41 PM 730 Views
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