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Agreed, but Roland00 Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM
I agree, and while I don't think hate crime legislation is a big deal it makes no sense to me that

we have hate crimes laws for
Perceived Race
Perceived Color
Perceived Religion
Perceived National Origin

but not
Perceived Disability (the matthew shepard act added hate crimes for disabilities)
Perceived Sexual Orientation
Perceived Gender Identity

In my mind you have to be for the first four as well as the last three, or against all of them. It is very hard to argue for the first four without arguing for the last three, and the public as a whole does support the idea of hate crimes in theory.
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Matthew Shepard act passed Dominic - 23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM 957 Views
Meh Brian - 23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM 556 Views
Federal punishment is usually harsher then state law Ryan - 23/10/2009 09:27:49 PM 543 Views
I honestly don't care that federal law is more harsh Brian - 24/10/2009 01:04:16 AM 528 Views
68-29, eh? Party line division? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 23/10/2009 08:25:07 PM 205 Views
More or less Isaac - 23/10/2009 08:35:10 PM 548 Views
All hate crime legislation is stupid..... trzaska2000 - 23/10/2009 10:15:02 PM 554 Views
I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities. LiterateDog - 24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM 569 Views
Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell? Burr - 24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM 550 Views
Not sure I agree there Isaac - 24/10/2009 02:29:13 PM 535 Views
How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages? Roland00 - 24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM 555 Views
See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM* Brian - 24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM 198 Views
Agreed, but Roland00 - 24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM 517 Views
I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM 534 Views
I'm sure the law is not supposed to deter crime, but rather to ensure justice. Burr - 24/10/2009 03:49:58 AM 471 Views
Which is one of the failures of the American Justice system Brian - 24/10/2009 04:53:33 AM 506 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Roland00 - 24/10/2009 04:07:52 AM 571 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 04:51:43 AM 555 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Roland00 - 24/10/2009 05:02:27 AM 523 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM 507 Views
So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy? beckstcw - 24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM 655 Views
Doesn't there have to be an indication ... Nate - 24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM 515 Views
Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. beckstcw - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM 507 Views
It does matter to what you were saying, though. Nate - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM 579 Views
One factor in this I don't like though Isaac - 24/10/2009 01:54:53 PM 523 Views
Correct Roland00 - 24/10/2009 04:55:43 AM 518 Views
All orientations are protected. yew - 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM 516 Views
Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal? beckstcw - 24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM 502 Views
As per my reply to you above: Nate - 24/10/2009 06:42:24 AM 531 Views
I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws. yew - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM 526 Views
yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men? random thoughts - 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM 500 Views
Couldn't say, Ray. yew - 25/10/2009 04:43:12 AM 688 Views
I don't support that anymore then I support hate crime laws. random thoughts - 25/10/2009 02:33:27 PM 539 Views
they need to throw out all of the thought crime laws *NM* random thoughts - 24/10/2009 02:04:30 PM 189 Views
Minor point. Palatine - 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM 546 Views
Yeah I saw that and kind of scoffed as well Brian - 24/10/2009 07:57:23 PM 529 Views
well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too? random thoughts - 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM 530 Views
That's my main objection, yes. Legolas - 25/10/2009 10:50:49 PM 519 Views
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