Active Users:512 Time:19/09/2025 04:43:33 AM
I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM
Like if the legislation was targeted towards violent groups that commit those types of crimes. Like the KKK, or Neo-Nazis, etc....as a law aimed towards individuals I think it is pointless, and the money would be better served educating young people.

What they're doing makes enough sense to me, they're making the law provide equal protection, or whatever you want to call it, but I just don't think hate crime legislation on the whole is an effective method of preventing or punishing these crimes.

If I hate someone because they're gay the thought of going to federal prison instead of state prison isn't likely to keep me from committing the crime, and in either case I'm going to prison and will just have my attitudes reinforced while I'm there.
Reply to message
Matthew Shepard act passed - 23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM 866 Views
Meh - 23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM 481 Views
Federal punishment is usually harsher then state law - 23/10/2009 09:27:49 PM 472 Views
I honestly don't care that federal law is more harsh - 24/10/2009 01:04:16 AM 463 Views
68-29, eh? Party line division? *NM* - 23/10/2009 08:25:07 PM 175 Views
More or less - 23/10/2009 08:35:10 PM 473 Views
All hate crime legislation is stupid..... - 23/10/2009 10:15:02 PM 481 Views
I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities. - 24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM 490 Views
Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell? - 24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM 474 Views
Not sure I agree there - 24/10/2009 02:29:13 PM 459 Views
How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages? - 24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM 480 Views
See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM* - 24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM 172 Views
Agreed, but - 24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM 451 Views
I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me - 24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM 457 Views
So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy? - 24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM 552 Views
Doesn't there have to be an indication ... - 24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM 440 Views
Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM 429 Views
It does matter to what you were saying, though. - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM 504 Views
One factor in this I don't like though - 24/10/2009 01:54:53 PM 451 Views
Correct - 24/10/2009 04:55:43 AM 447 Views
All orientations are protected. - 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM 443 Views
Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal? - 24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM 435 Views
As per my reply to you above: - 24/10/2009 06:42:24 AM 449 Views
I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws. - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM 446 Views
yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men? - 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM 421 Views
Couldn't say, Ray. - 25/10/2009 04:43:12 AM 597 Views
I don't support that anymore then I support hate crime laws. - 25/10/2009 02:33:27 PM 464 Views
they need to throw out all of the thought crime laws *NM* - 24/10/2009 02:04:30 PM 160 Views
Minor point. - 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM 475 Views
Yeah I saw that and kind of scoffed as well - 24/10/2009 07:57:23 PM 461 Views
well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too? - 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM 456 Views
That's my main objection, yes. - 25/10/2009 10:50:49 PM 449 Views

Reply to Message