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Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. beckstcw Send a noteboard - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM
If I overreacted and beat up another straight guy for hitting on my sister, that's more acceptable than if I overreacted and beat up a gay guy for hitting on my brother?

Seems like I as a straight person am being discriminated against, being told that my well-being is worth less. Same goes for all hate-crime legislation.


... that you did it because he was gay? If you beat him up just because he was hitting on your brother and you're overprotective, but you don't actually care if he's gay or not, then that shouldn't be a hate crime. But if it is done because you hate his sexual orientation, then it is a hate crime.

In the same way, if you beat up the straight guy because he was straight, and you hate straight guys, that's also a hate crime, since you hate his sexual orientation (ie. heterosexual).

I don't know if this is actually how it's enforced, but that's what makes sense to me.
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Matthew Shepard act passed Dominic - 23/10/2009 07:54:07 PM 957 Views
Meh Brian - 23/10/2009 08:06:22 PM 555 Views
Federal punishment is usually harsher then state law Ryan - 23/10/2009 09:27:49 PM 543 Views
I honestly don't care that federal law is more harsh Brian - 24/10/2009 01:04:16 AM 527 Views
68-29, eh? Party line division? *NM* TaskmasterJack - 23/10/2009 08:25:07 PM 205 Views
More or less Isaac - 23/10/2009 08:35:10 PM 548 Views
All hate crime legislation is stupid..... trzaska2000 - 23/10/2009 10:15:02 PM 554 Views
I'm sure Orwell would be intrigued by his own prognosticative abilities. LiterateDog - 24/10/2009 12:52:24 AM 568 Views
Didn't we already slice crimes by degree of intention (e.g., murder vs. manslaughter) pre-Orwell? Burr - 24/10/2009 05:23:56 AM 549 Views
Not sure I agree there Isaac - 24/10/2009 02:29:13 PM 534 Views
How about DADT, or employment non discrimination, or federal benefits for civil unions/marriages? Roland00 - 24/10/2009 01:23:06 AM 553 Views
See..this is much more important than Hate Crime Legislation, and it actually accomplishes something *NM* Brian - 24/10/2009 01:52:31 AM 198 Views
Agreed, but Roland00 - 24/10/2009 02:12:11 AM 515 Views
I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 02:22:46 AM 534 Views
I'm sure the law is not supposed to deter crime, but rather to ensure justice. Burr - 24/10/2009 03:49:58 AM 470 Views
Which is one of the failures of the American Justice system Brian - 24/10/2009 04:53:33 AM 506 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Roland00 - 24/10/2009 04:07:52 AM 571 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 04:51:43 AM 555 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Roland00 - 24/10/2009 05:02:27 AM 522 Views
Re: I'd be more supportive of hate crime legislation as a whole if it made any real sense to me Brian - 24/10/2009 05:27:35 AM 507 Views
So it's inherently worse for a gay man to get beaten up than a straight guy? beckstcw - 24/10/2009 03:45:43 AM 655 Views
Doesn't there have to be an indication ... Nate - 24/10/2009 04:33:49 AM 514 Views
Doesn't matter, Same crime, same punishment, with no extra preference given to anyone. beckstcw - 24/10/2009 04:48:22 AM 507 Views
It does matter to what you were saying, though. Nate - 24/10/2009 06:32:32 AM 579 Views
One factor in this I don't like though Isaac - 24/10/2009 01:54:53 PM 522 Views
Correct Roland00 - 24/10/2009 04:55:43 AM 517 Views
All orientations are protected. yew - 24/10/2009 05:17:55 AM 515 Views
Isn't killing or assaulting someone already illegal? beckstcw - 24/10/2009 05:50:15 AM 501 Views
As per my reply to you above: Nate - 24/10/2009 06:42:24 AM 531 Views
I said nothing as to what I think about hate crimes laws. yew - 24/10/2009 06:47:51 AM 525 Views
yes and how many black men are sentenced for attacking white men? random thoughts - 24/10/2009 02:00:26 PM 499 Views
Couldn't say, Ray. yew - 25/10/2009 04:43:12 AM 687 Views
I don't support that anymore then I support hate crime laws. random thoughts - 25/10/2009 02:33:27 PM 538 Views
they need to throw out all of the thought crime laws *NM* random thoughts - 24/10/2009 02:04:30 PM 189 Views
Minor point. Palatine - 24/10/2009 04:46:25 PM 545 Views
Yeah I saw that and kind of scoffed as well Brian - 24/10/2009 07:57:23 PM 528 Views
well since almost everything he said turned out to be BS why not that too? random thoughts - 25/10/2009 02:36:25 PM 530 Views
That's my main objection, yes. Legolas - 25/10/2009 10:50:49 PM 518 Views
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