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No no no my friend, do not put words in my mouth AgentOrange Send a noteboard - 24/11/2009 03:52:29 PM
you got your myths mixed up

The one discovered in the early 1800's and quantified in the later part of that century? Where water vapour provides around half the effect, maybe 75%? Still a myth?


I am not claiming there isn't a greenhouse effect, or that greenhouse gases do not contribute to atmospheric temperatures.

But their changed concentration due to human envolvment has not been shown to be a driving factor in recent temperature changes.

Not only that, but the proponents of such theories, say in Kyoto, disregarded factors such as the termal conduction of greenhouse molecules at different atmospheric pressures and altitude and also ignored saturation effects.

The second tactic of ignoring saturation effects is most annoying because it is an alarmist tactic. Like those used by people who try to scare you with demographics. Except it's even less appropriate here. If greenhouse gases warm the atmosphere it doesn't mean more concentrated grrenhouse gases will warm the atmosphere the same way. Nature tends to saturation curves like a discharging capacitator.
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No, I am sure global warming is just a myth. </sarcasm> - 24/11/2009 01:23:50 PM 898 Views
That ice is not melting - everyone knows temperatures aren't going up. - 24/11/2009 01:30:12 PM 582 Views
Precisely. - 24/11/2009 01:31:17 PM 554 Views
*NM* - 24/11/2009 01:52:03 PM 338 Views
They say that it's vanishing because it's melting... - 24/11/2009 01:49:24 PM 548 Views
*NM* - 24/11/2009 02:20:00 PM 362 Views
While I believe that the climate is changing - 24/11/2009 02:10:53 PM 851 Views
Not to excuse tomfoolery of any kind (fun word )... - 24/11/2009 02:14:41 PM 497 Views
You never deviate from serious and exact wording in your private e-mails? *NM* - 24/11/2009 02:21:22 PM 339 Views
I think this is a bit more than a deviation. - 24/11/2009 02:33:49 PM 748 Views
Sales figures are a good example - 24/11/2009 02:48:44 PM 518 Views
Re: I think this is a bit more than a deviation. - 24/11/2009 02:49:30 PM 659 Views
Climategate is a big scandal.....very damaging to the AGW kool-aid drinkers. - 24/11/2009 03:53:27 PM 514 Views
Exactly; just look at these guys: - 24/11/2009 05:38:33 PM 812 Views
Greenland was much less icy back in the days when it was first settled. - 24/11/2009 02:29:50 PM 613 Views
From what I understand - 24/11/2009 02:45:04 PM 679 Views
No one seriously argues against climate change. The myth is called the greenhouse effect - 24/11/2009 02:31:30 PM 538 Views
Yes they do. Well, depending how seriously you take trzaska2000 and others of his ilk... - 24/11/2009 02:53:33 PM 533 Views
I believe copy-right was aiming a bit higher than a specific person. You're not supposed to do that - 24/11/2009 03:17:31 PM 516 Views
But I was just using him as an example - to show that some people who think global warming a myth - 24/11/2009 03:27:13 PM 519 Views
I am not as crazy as Joel!!! - 24/11/2009 03:48:33 PM 673 Views
You keep telling yourself that - 24/11/2009 04:31:01 PM 564 Views
trzaska is way beyond joel on the madness-meter. - 24/11/2009 03:53:09 PM 638 Views
Please explain..... - 24/11/2009 03:56:51 PM 639 Views
I wouldn't know where to begin. - 24/11/2009 04:20:38 PM 649 Views
Not for a European, but for an American..... *NM* - 24/11/2009 04:29:59 PM 330 Views
bull you're middle of the road. - 24/11/2009 06:11:52 PM 496 Views
Define "middle of the road" then..... *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:25:59 PM 331 Views
About a hundred meters to the left of you. *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:59:49 PM 363 Views
That comment is irrelevant without a frame of reference..... - 24/11/2009 07:24:26 PM 543 Views
Re: That comment is irrelevant without a frame of reference..... - 24/11/2009 07:25:18 PM 505 Views
I'd agree that you're middle of the road as far as policy goes... - 24/11/2009 08:10:59 PM 496 Views
That's pretty accurate.....I do enjoy colorful rhetoric! - 25/11/2009 04:14:25 PM 485 Views
I'm not convinced - 24/11/2009 04:34:50 PM 547 Views
That's not exactly what I said. - 24/11/2009 06:06:44 PM 705 Views
I never said anyone is crazy. That is up to individual rafonauts' doctors. *NM* - 24/11/2009 04:02:43 PM 321 Views
You did open a helluva can of worms though, deliberately or not. - 24/11/2009 06:10:57 PM 625 Views
I was ridiculing myself for pointing to you at that earlier post a few days ago *NM* - 24/11/2009 06:22:04 PM 232 Views
Fair enough then. - 24/11/2009 06:24:36 PM 515 Views
Re: You're not supposed to do that - 24/11/2009 06:14:58 PM 487 Views
I submit myself to your punishment - 24/11/2009 06:24:26 PM 654 Views
It's cool, man. - 24/11/2009 06:31:17 PM 511 Views
Silly snoop.....my beef is with AGW, not GW in general..... - 24/11/2009 03:46:15 PM 563 Views
You should be clearer then - 24/11/2009 04:30:04 PM 489 Views
The greenhouse effect without with the global average temperature would be in the ballpark of -15C? - 24/11/2009 03:24:40 PM 528 Views
No no no my friend, do not put words in my mouth - 24/11/2009 03:52:29 PM 580 Views

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