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Awesome soilent brad Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 07:46:55 PM
It was one of my favorite running jokes 'Studies show that our drinking water contains obscene amounts of dihydrogen monoxide' was always my favorite part, usually by then one of the people in the group had figured it out and looked like they were about to fall on the floor laughing, typically about the same time some know-it-all-wannabe said "It's true, I've heard about that"

Well, on to AGW.

Heh. Yes. I still wasn't a fan of Penn & Teller BS, though. That was just an example of the lack of education of the masses. The show only shows their point of view, and doesn't let the viewers see the other side of the argument, except when it's coming from somebody who looks/talks like a crackpot.

1/2. So, do you believe that humans are causing global warming? Or is it natural?

I believe that humans are currently capable, due to our numbers and industrialization, of having major impacts on the atmosphere and biosphere, intentional or otherwise. The exact nature of that effect is debatable, but CO2 acts as an insulator in our sort of atmosphere without significantly increasing Earth's albedo (reflectivity) - most of the other factors tend to generate feedback, positive, negative, or both and current models do not reliably link the various factors together for solid predicitions, but there are heavy indications that the net effect should be warming.

I like to think of all the various effects as coffee. If you add in creamer, it stays warmer longer, but the lighter color reflects away light whereas black coffee absorbs it, so if you stick it under a very bright light (sun) it becomes a contest as to which effect dominates, and that depends on shape of the coffee mug, brightness of the light, percentage of creamer, etc. Each of the feedback cycles represent different mugs of coffee. In many cases both effects will be dwarfed by other factors, like sticking the coffee out in the snow or on a coffee warming plate. Sort of like having a white car, theoretically a white car moves faster for less fuel when moving with the sun on it's rear than a different color car, but the effect is virtually nil, however if you've seen one of those little whirlie-gigs in a bell jar with one white panel and one black, you will notice that if you flip a light on it will begin spinnning, from that very same effect.

As one might guess, I like coffee. But whatever the net effect, I think one has to acknowledge that adding creamer to coffee significantly alters the dynamics of the system, creame rof course being CO2 in this analogy, which is why I try to think of myself not so much as a AGW supporter as a Artificial Climate Change supporter, which of course mankind has been doing for millenia to greater or lesser degree, a habit we share with beavers, we're just much better at it.

That was the best answer ever. I'm totally bookmarking this so I can pull it out the next time my cousin tries to convince me otherwise.

3. Do you believe in global warming at all?

Too simple or complex a question, the simple answer is 'yes, of course, we have ice ages and warm spells after all' the complex answer shifts back into AGW.

*nod*

4. Do you like iced tea?

It's okay, I need some mint, lemon, or rasberry in it to really enjoy it, and a bit of sugar.

Sugar is a must.
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Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 02/12/2009 06:36:46 PM 1210 Views
less and less these days - 02/12/2009 06:47:17 PM 1004 Views
Why is that? - 02/12/2009 06:49:13 PM 907 Views
can't stand sweet tea - 02/12/2009 10:14:05 PM 966 Views
Mmm. Brown kool-aid *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:25:29 PM 548 Views
I believe that we are contributing. But I do not believe that global warming is entirely man-made. - 02/12/2009 06:49:54 PM 966 Views
Ditto. *NM* - 02/12/2009 06:51:26 PM 535 Views
Thank you - 02/12/2009 06:51:34 PM 920 Views
same here *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:34:05 PM 513 Views
I don't feel like being in any arguments about it, but - 02/12/2009 06:50:58 PM 987 Views
Re: I don't feel like being in any arguments about it, but - 02/12/2009 07:00:34 PM 1085 Views
LOL, I used to screw with people about dihydrogen monoxide poisoning - 02/12/2009 07:13:33 PM 1344 Views
Awesome - 02/12/2009 07:46:55 PM 1039 Views
This is an excellent post. Except for the bit on iced tea. Iced tea is delicious in any form. *NM* - 02/12/2009 07:48:23 PM 648 Views
*nod* *NM* - 02/12/2009 08:38:39 PM 520 Views
I must respectfully disagree - 02/12/2009 09:14:37 PM 968 Views
You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 09:31:30 PM 949 Views
*bows to Tea Master* *NM* - 02/12/2009 09:36:56 PM 540 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 09:44:41 PM 1006 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 10:11:29 PM 797 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 02/12/2009 10:17:00 PM 1011 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 12:34:49 AM 961 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 03:14:04 AM 955 Views
Re: You must seek a nobler tea, grasshopper. - 03/12/2009 04:18:22 AM 968 Views
I surrender! No more Haikus - 03/12/2009 05:00:37 AM 1160 Views
weakling!! - 03/12/2009 05:15:31 AM 1111 Views
Re: weakling!! - 03/12/2009 05:38:11 AM 1243 Views
Issac a problem? - 03/12/2009 07:14:40 AM 860 Views
because that's how the actual name is spelled? - 03/12/2009 01:09:36 PM 964 Views
Um... no it isn't? *NM* - 04/12/2009 06:18:14 AM 536 Views
I used to misspell my cousin's name that way - 03/12/2009 04:13:09 PM 1147 Views
It was awesome, though! A Haiku Hijack *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:32:58 AM 527 Views
Wouldn't that make it a Haijack? *NM* - 03/12/2009 10:33:08 PM 515 Views
*NM* - 03/12/2009 11:58:35 PM 544 Views
What Ghavey Said. - 02/12/2009 09:36:06 PM 825 Views
This raises the whole sweet tea vs iced tea thingy - 02/12/2009 09:49:46 PM 1042 Views
one can use crap tea for sweet tea - 02/12/2009 09:54:00 PM 871 Views
Valid point - 02/12/2009 10:07:04 PM 952 Views
The problem is that you're one state too far east. - 02/12/2009 10:09:19 PM 898 Views
Not exactly a fan of Louisiana or Akansas either *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:17:48 PM 514 Views
There's no way you can say no to creole food. - 02/12/2009 10:32:06 PM 866 Views
You're right there, even "No! Please!" Doesn't work *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:34:18 PM 493 Views
once you start adding mint or rasberry it really isn't tea anymore *NM* - 02/12/2009 10:15:16 PM 612 Views
1 Doubt it, 2 Suspect it if true (sunspots anyone? ) 3 Indifferent either way 4 No. - 02/12/2009 07:16:05 PM 1069 Views
Sunspots are actually colder than the surrounding area, which is why they appear black - 02/12/2009 07:26:26 PM 962 Views
I meant using them as an indicator of solar activity - the REAL cause of climate change - 03/12/2009 11:33:25 AM 864 Views
I see - 03/12/2009 04:19:20 PM 970 Views
Oh boy. - 02/12/2009 08:14:48 PM 1111 Views
Re: Oh boy. - 02/12/2009 08:38:17 PM 919 Views
Re: Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 02/12/2009 08:15:43 PM 983 Views
I like this answer, too - 02/12/2009 08:42:16 PM 1040 Views
Also, I love tea! - 02/12/2009 10:56:59 PM 873 Views
Tea is awesome - 03/12/2009 02:50:23 AM 904 Views
Ever go to a resaurant and order sweet tea... - 05/12/2009 09:40:53 AM 811 Views
I've never ordered sweet tea - 05/12/2009 04:08:30 PM 967 Views
I think there is both natural global warming and man-made global warming. And thank goodness! - 02/12/2009 08:53:35 PM 962 Views
Isn't it about every 15,000 years that ice ages come back? - 02/12/2009 08:57:30 PM 888 Views
They vary. - 02/12/2009 09:02:49 PM 887 Views
There's nothing wrong with a little snow - 02/12/2009 09:09:40 PM 858 Views
i think the key word there was "little" - 02/12/2009 09:38:42 PM 949 Views
1. No ; 2. Natural ; 3. Yes ; 4. No - 02/12/2009 08:55:05 PM 1001 Views
No? - 02/12/2009 09:00:53 PM 802 Views
I don't have enough data. - 02/12/2009 09:59:12 PM 959 Views
Re: I don't have enough data. - 02/12/2009 10:30:57 PM 999 Views
Yes, Yes, Yes, No (in that order) *NM* - 02/12/2009 11:23:07 PM 492 Views
I'm really in this for the ice tea question, but I'll answer all of it. - 03/12/2009 02:38:13 AM 1540 Views
A little lemon is good, yes - 03/12/2009 02:52:53 AM 874 Views
it's not like it's a freaking deity to believe in. - 03/12/2009 03:08:09 AM 951 Views
LOL - 03/12/2009 03:12:36 AM 964 Views
Re: Do you believe in man-made global warming? - 03/12/2009 03:13:19 AM 980 Views
Yes, I believe humans are largely responsible for global warming. And iced tea sucks *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:12:28 AM 596 Views
Bah! So many crazy people here *NM* - 03/12/2009 05:33:35 AM 486 Views

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