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It does not make sense if it's used in a partisan way, that's true. Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 05:43:10 PM
Is the problem that they are blocking the simple stuff or that they are blocking the major stuff? Your argument seems to confuse the two.

Both, honestly.
The filibuster is designed so that an ambitious agenda cannot be passed without a super majority. So if you have an aggressive agenda you need to either get a super majority at the ballot box or figure out how to win some support from the other party. The dems failed to do the first and seem to be offended that they are expected to do the second. The filibuster was designed to keep the majority party from blocking out the minority and to keep major changes to our government and society from being enacted without widespread support.

It seems to me you're talking about the supermajority, not the filibuster - the supermajority was designed to do the things you name, but was only required in very specific situations. The filibuster on the other hand was not so much designed as improvised as a method for senators to stall or derail legislation they were very passionately against, back in the sixties with the civil rights for blacks. As has been pointed out a lot lately, the problem with the filibuster began when Senate rules were changed so as not to require actual talking and stalling in order to filibuster. Suddenly, it wasn't a measure of last resort that took heroic efforts, but something that took no effort at all and could be done whenever it was useful. The supermajority was always required to end filibusters, but it was the filibuster that changed and expanded, and so suddenly made a supermajority necessary in far more cases than was originally intended.
When the filibuster was being used to block Bush nominees for even minor offices the dems were fine with it but now that the table is turned we have Biden telling us the constitution has been turned on its head. Which I find ironic considering the fact that the constitution was designed to limit the growth and power of the federal government and to limit how involved they could be in people's every day life.

Well, you're right that both parties are guilty about the excess use of the filibuster, absolutely, it's not a partisan argument. It's a general argument about the state of American politics and the ability of the Senate to pass any kind of meaningful legislation - whether liberal or conservative.
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Could the Dems really lose in Mass - Kennedy's seat? - 18/01/2010 03:19:29 PM 584 Views
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Curious about the last part. - 20/01/2010 12:05:40 AM 245 Views
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I'm starting to think..... - 18/01/2010 04:33:23 PM 180 Views
Certainly, he wouldn't stand a chance without protest votes. *NM* - 18/01/2010 04:45:37 PM 85 Views
That whole "filibuster-proof" concept was a lot more valid... - 18/01/2010 04:44:51 PM 194 Views
I have seen this argument elsewhere and I am not sure it makes sense - 18/01/2010 05:28:57 PM 235 Views
It does not make sense if it's used in a partisan way, that's true. - 18/01/2010 05:43:10 PM 263 Views
I think the fillibuster is with in the spirit and the law on the constitution - 18/01/2010 06:03:55 PM 237 Views
Fair enough. - 18/01/2010 10:00:16 PM 163 Views
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They should keep making them actually filibuster, yes. - 18/01/2010 10:09:01 PM 328 Views
Fight the good fight, my man...er...dog! - 18/01/2010 05:48:08 PM 160 Views

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