It does not make sense if it's used in a partisan way, that's true.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 05:43:10 PM
Is the problem that they are blocking the simple stuff or that they are blocking the major stuff? Your argument seems to confuse the two.
Both, honestly.
The filibuster is designed so that an ambitious agenda cannot be passed without a super majority. So if you have an aggressive agenda you need to either get a super majority at the ballot box or figure out how to win some support from the other party. The dems failed to do the first and seem to be offended that they are expected to do the second. The filibuster was designed to keep the majority party from blocking out the minority and to keep major changes to our government and society from being enacted without widespread support.
It seems to me you're talking about the supermajority, not the filibuster - the supermajority was designed to do the things you name, but was only required in very specific situations. The filibuster on the other hand was not so much designed as improvised as a method for senators to stall or derail legislation they were very passionately against, back in the sixties with the civil rights for blacks. As has been pointed out a lot lately, the problem with the filibuster began when Senate rules were changed so as not to require actual talking and stalling in order to filibuster. Suddenly, it wasn't a measure of last resort that took heroic efforts, but something that took no effort at all and could be done whenever it was useful. The supermajority was always required to end filibusters, but it was the filibuster that changed and expanded, and so suddenly made a supermajority necessary in far more cases than was originally intended.
When the filibuster was being used to block Bush nominees for even minor offices the dems were fine with it but now that the table is turned we have Biden telling us the constitution has been turned on its head. Which I find ironic considering the fact that the constitution was designed to limit the growth and power of the federal government and to limit how involved they could be in people's every day life.
Well, you're right that both parties are guilty about the excess use of the filibuster, absolutely, it's not a partisan argument. It's a general argument about the state of American politics and the ability of the Senate to pass any kind of meaningful legislation - whether liberal or conservative.
Could the Dems really lose in Mass - Kennedy's seat?
18/01/2010 03:19:29 PM
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to quote yogi berra: it ain't over till it's over
18/01/2010 04:10:26 PM
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Oh, if Brown wins, I'm sure he will be out next election.....
18/01/2010 04:28:05 PM
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Even if he loses and it is close I think it will scare a lot of democrats
18/01/2010 04:15:03 PM
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If we don't get a handle on healthcare it will destroy the economy.
18/01/2010 06:01:18 PM
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It makes people question their priorities
18/01/2010 08:17:16 PM
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Maybe they should.
18/01/2010 09:47:11 PM
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You act like America is a collective
18/01/2010 10:16:39 PM
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Is it? What are the Republicans offering for the non-insured?
18/01/2010 10:20:42 PM
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Tort reform
18/01/2010 10:33:01 PM
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Ah yes. Which they're quite right about, of course - but one item does not a policy make. *NM*
18/01/2010 10:35:55 PM
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purchase insurance across state lines
18/01/2010 10:44:54 PM
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the dems don't see insurance companies as the enemy either
18/01/2010 11:09:24 PM
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that simply proves they are inept
19/01/2010 01:45:33 PM
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Or in the lobbies' pockets, or both; now you understand why the left is as mad as the right.
19/01/2010 11:55:14 PM
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Of course they did nothing for the 6 years they controlled Congress.
19/01/2010 12:39:44 AM
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That isn't true, my mother-in-law can now afford to buy her medicine
19/01/2010 01:57:28 PM
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Curious about the last part.
20/01/2010 12:05:40 AM
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There are some basic flaws in your argument
20/01/2010 03:18:58 PM
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The state laws are the result of the gentlemens agreement and the feds not minding the store.
20/01/2010 06:18:50 PM
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America, like all groups of people, IS a collective, however diverse.
19/01/2010 02:02:24 AM
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but it doesn't think like a collective
20/01/2010 03:25:29 PM
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Yes, I realize human beings are selfish; that's something to overcome, not embrace.
20/01/2010 06:21:33 PM
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I know who I'm voting for!
18/01/2010 04:26:29 PM
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That whole "filibuster-proof" concept was a lot more valid...
18/01/2010 04:44:51 PM
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I have seen this argument elsewhere and I am not sure it makes sense
18/01/2010 05:28:57 PM
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It does not make sense if it's used in a partisan way, that's true.
18/01/2010 05:43:10 PM
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I think the fillibuster is with in the spirit and the law on the constitution
18/01/2010 06:03:55 PM
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I hope so. If people like me support Brown, then you know the Democrats are fucked.
18/01/2010 05:13:27 PM
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It's amazing, but even GWB and the R's didn't alienate the public so quickly.....
18/01/2010 10:02:27 PM
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I read Nate Silver at fivethirtyeight.com and he's refusing to call it...
18/01/2010 11:03:03 PM
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Wuss (that's directed facetiously at Silver, btw, not you seriously. )
19/01/2010 02:31:58 AM
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