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If they want to try it and see if it works, sure Isaac Send a noteboard - 24/02/2010 02:13:03 PM
from an ethical standpoint, it is definitetly good, but if the practical applications create a problem then I could understand why they would stop any co-ed programs they set up.

I do wonder why they didn't just move to only-women subs. I know that would take more time to train submariners, but it would probably mean less submarine overhaul.

I have to admit, I mentally snarled a bit at the knowledge that women still are not allowed in "combat" positions. I did not know that and I do not like it in the slightest.


On a sub currently, the people in charge having been running subs for years, typically competing for slots with other people, so they know what they are doing, an all female sub would start off with a crew who had not a single person who'd ever worked on a sub, this would sort of be like saying 'women can be historians too, so let's pick a few incoming freshmen and make them history professors at our new school' Obviously an all female crew isn't an option, what with how all our subs have nuclear reactor son them and sit around for months at a time under pressure that crushes things. This is the sort of case where you want a healthy amount of experience involved. We raised this same point about all female combat units, pointing out that by definition all the experienced people (and experience is everything) would by definition not be there. So you'd have to go coed to train them, initially, if we wanted all-female units we could do some coed stuff, select those women who show very top lines profiles and will commit to extended contracts so we're not losing lots of them and maybe after a decade we might have enough to risk composing the leadership of a billion dollar nuclear-driven vessel crewed only by women, after that it's self-sustaining, but that's a major investment in time and effort to be PC. Unlike combat units, there's really no question that women are mentally and physically capable of running a sub, although the conditions on one I think represent a harder psychological impact on the average woman from our culture than for men. It's the coed problem, not the woman-problem, for subs.

If the Navy thinks the cost to refit a few subs for coed to try it out is okay, won't risk performance much, etc, then it's fine by me, I doubt there are enough female sailors who want to do this that we need to do more than try it on a few subs as a pilot program, which might in itself provide the necessary experienced crew to make up the leadership if we start running an all female sub crew down the line if that's considered the better option after experimentation. It's their call, I just suspect they are being pressured by the current administration since this is a major reversal in their stance and is coming right after talk of DADT being lifted.

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Navy will soon let women serve on subs - 24/02/2010 05:22:01 AM 390 Views
It worked for Lauren Holly in "Down Periscope". - 24/02/2010 05:51:31 AM 238 Views
If the navy wants to it then it is their call - 24/02/2010 05:54:27 AM 183 Views
i think i made the joke on wotmania.... - 24/02/2010 06:19:40 AM 188 Views
I was waiting for a good "seamen" joke.. *NM* - 24/02/2010 09:00:24 PM 52 Views
that's ...what she said? *NM* - 24/02/2010 11:10:23 PM 59 Views
It isn't really an issue of women serving on subs, - 24/02/2010 07:47:57 AM 189 Views
if they can make it work, then this is good - 24/02/2010 01:13:47 PM 211 Views
If they want to try it and see if it works, sure - 24/02/2010 02:13:03 PM 188 Views
no, I know experience wise it's not practical - 24/02/2010 09:09:24 PM 172 Views
Re: no, I know experience wise it's not practical - 24/02/2010 09:53:47 PM 163 Views
Sweden does not have separate crews - 24/02/2010 10:18:43 PM 185 Views
Wait a minute... - 24/02/2010 10:35:41 PM 177 Views
They call it hot racking - 25/02/2010 05:00:21 AM 171 Views
Are they allowed to change the sheets at least? *NM* - 25/02/2010 08:20:46 AM 54 Views
Yes - 25/02/2010 03:32:04 PM 164 Views
I wish they'ld let girls in combat roles too. - 24/02/2010 02:35:47 PM 179 Views
I'm totally not suited for combat. - 24/02/2010 09:10:24 PM 166 Views
Re: if they can make it work, then this is good - 24/02/2010 05:15:58 PM 177 Views
wanting to shield women is still sexism - 24/02/2010 09:13:22 PM 170 Views
I did not know that either - 24/02/2010 09:17:20 PM 174 Views
probably - 24/02/2010 09:25:39 PM 169 Views
The rule isn't just to protect the women - 25/02/2010 05:06:12 AM 184 Views
Re: I did not know that either - 25/02/2010 12:11:27 AM 172 Views
coldly speaking, i'd probably shoot the enemy women first - 25/02/2010 05:08:58 AM 185 Views
It makes sense to me that women aren't allowed in combat - 25/02/2010 10:07:04 AM 184 Views

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