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Interesting SilverWarder Send a noteboard - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM
We recently had a couple who lost their kids after they showed up for school with "Heil Hitler" and swatztikas inked on their skin.

Upon further examination it was found that the kids were being taught that all non-whites were sub human. The parents were also both substance abusers and unfit parents of the worst order, but that was just a contributing factor.

Those kids were removed to foster care and are doing much better with their new family.

Isn't it a bit much to allow parents to teach their children 'anything'?

No problem with parents teaching their own kids, but there have to be some standards.
May God stand between you and harm in all the empty places you must walk.

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Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. Cannoli - 02/03/2010 10:30:01 PM 1663 Views
Looks like a win-win situation to me. Legolas - 02/03/2010 11:01:22 PM 915 Views
Exactly ironclad - 03/03/2010 08:54:10 AM 869 Views
yah...but...but.... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:13:31 PM 793 Views
Germany does have a history of getting rid of people it doesn't like *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:08:37 PM 549 Views
Yawn. At least beckstcw was joking when he invoked Godwin's law below. I hope. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:10:18 PM 458 Views
That is a load of crap random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:53:02 PM 548 Views
uhm, how would Germany be offending the US? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:56:52 PM 515 Views
I meant in general not in this specfic case random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:59:01 PM 453 Views
ahh mk *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:09:39 PM 502 Views
Um. Legolas - 03/03/2010 02:57:53 PM 390 Views
But our religious beliefs and belief in allowing religious freedom is fair game? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:09:48 PM 396 Views
Yes? Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:40:30 PM 372 Views
If you made fun of the Native Americans I would be offended random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:46:05 PM 628 Views
It's actually quite the opposite. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:57:19 PM 600 Views
and I would say they trying to fix intolerance with more intolerance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:13:49 PM 388 Views
That was probably the stupidest thing I ever saw you write ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:28:39 PM 556 Views
You were the one who said good riddance random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:43:24 PM 405 Views
It's the usual story of American ideology and European pragmatism. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:52:51 PM 564 Views
exactly. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:56:11 PM 519 Views
Yes, because I won't miss them much. ironclad - 03/03/2010 03:55:29 PM 597 Views
well said Aisha - 03/03/2010 06:34:18 PM 597 Views
This is getting a bit off the discussion. Please keep it civil, everyone. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:55:11 PM 486 Views
I think it's outrageous they'd fine people for that Isaac - 02/03/2010 11:07:57 PM 934 Views
Re: Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 01:09:23 AM 1056 Views
The socialization thing is mostly garbage Isaac - 03/03/2010 02:32:19 AM 925 Views
Yep, exactly. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:41:14 AM 719 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 03:12:48 AM 700 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:34:33 AM 956 Views
Re: Yep, exactly. Isaac - 03/03/2010 04:34:30 AM 943 Views
*shrugs* I said it was anecdotal. I have no hard figures, only experiences. everynametaken - 03/03/2010 03:28:29 AM 700 Views
The operative word IS mostly LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:33:20 AM 902 Views
'Mostly' is all that matters Isaac - 03/03/2010 05:46:01 AM 924 Views
Uhm, socialization is incredibly important. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:03:30 AM 905 Views
Yes, but you don't need to be taught to do it Isaac - 03/03/2010 06:47:06 AM 856 Views
cats aren't pack or herd animals LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:53:02 AM 861 Views
Something of an inside joke, sorry Isaac - 03/03/2010 07:41:50 AM 872 Views
us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:05:27 PM 712 Views
Re: us closely associated with schools are sensitive on the issue too Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:19:21 PM 789 Views
I would agree that households with two working parnets shouldn't home school *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:22:51 PM 473 Views
I'm a homeschooling parent. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:09:03 PM 871 Views
LOL, we seem well represented on this site Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:02:16 PM 976 Views
to jump on the "I was homeschooled and I have social skills" bandwagon... Mat Maniac - 03/03/2010 06:27:05 AM 1288 Views
I think you may be missing some things random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:48:27 PM 974 Views
Re: I think you may be missing some things everynametaken - 05/03/2010 12:16:37 AM 1062 Views
I was homeschooled through grade 12, and my mom has done pro bono legal work for HSLDA. Aemon - 03/03/2010 02:20:38 AM 854 Views
I agree that it can be a very good option for some families LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:42:21 AM 970 Views
Re: I agree that it can be a very good option for some families Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:16:17 AM 807 Views
It depends on the public school. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:23:09 AM 849 Views
Re: It depends on the public school. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:45:07 AM 863 Views
"done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:58:26 AM 675 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:14:43 AM 1004 Views
Re: "done right" is not always the case LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:31:04 AM 914 Views
Well let's talk stats then. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:55:14 AM 865 Views
please do not get me started on statistis. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:11:19 AM 779 Views
Re: please do not get me started on statistis. Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:28:41 AM 830 Views
you missed my point. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:10:26 PM 853 Views
You seem to be ignoring the matter of qualified teachers. Legolas - 03/03/2010 01:29:01 PM 816 Views
Your comments on public school educations have rather limited relevance to other countries, though. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:30 AM 923 Views
+ ^ *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 01:11:04 PM 465 Views
While I support homeschooling, this is ridiculous. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:48:40 AM 994 Views
Meh. Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:20:50 AM 906 Views
one year in a public school LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:13 AM 967 Views
Re: one year in a public school Aemon - 03/03/2010 05:58:48 AM 719 Views
No, I think i will nitpick. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:11:44 AM 861 Views
This is getting off track and wasting time. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:26:36 AM 895 Views
I'm not even certain it's 100% legal. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 06:34:44 AM 678 Views
Yes, but we can't argue abuse of law. Aemon - 03/03/2010 06:51:23 AM 792 Views
I only used Mexicans because I'm from Arizona LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:29 AM 919 Views
I think I have the gist of it, Aemon - 03/03/2010 07:17:40 AM 811 Views
we haven't heard anything about their beliefs for me to think they're stupid. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 02:54:25 PM 906 Views
According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung... Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:38:13 PM 813 Views
they don't have private christian schools in germany? LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:54:07 PM 763 Views
Not many, I dare say, but a few probably. *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:59:11 PM 483 Views
Say what? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:38:40 AM 768 Views
Being able raise your kids by your beliefs is a frivolous matter? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 03:21:23 PM 704 Views
Germany is not saying "you can't raise your kids by your beliefs" LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:31:01 PM 812 Views
It's not a recent law, and supposedly other German families have moved to France and the UK. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:45:56 PM 901 Views
figured that. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 03:58:57 PM 793 Views
I think that would fly in very face of political assylum random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:12:48 PM 858 Views
Yes, but they did not need political asylum. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:28:16 PM 860 Views
how is that different then other political refuges we allow in? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:55:14 PM 790 Views
I believe Legolas linked an article LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:57:09 PM 774 Views
I never saw the link random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:08:21 PM 677 Views
I'm not sure if they offered "formal" assurances or some such LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:21:54 PM 608 Views
that was a mayor, I doubt he would have the final word on the issue random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:46:22 PM 668 Views
You don't have a law about removing children from parental custody? At all? Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:43:15 PM 820 Views
They can take your kids from for not sending them to school but not for home schooling them random thoughts - 03/03/2010 10:35:48 PM 822 Views
Compared to not being able to feed your kids, yes, it is. Legolas - 03/03/2010 03:42:58 PM 705 Views
yes but we don't grant political assylum for being hungry random thoughts - 03/03/2010 04:34:23 PM 776 Views
no we don't. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 04:50:31 PM 641 Views
Do you have a better system? random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:05:42 PM 937 Views
Immigration processes could certainly use some reform LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:32:22 PM 743 Views
The system sucks, big government typically does not function well random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:48:25 PM 693 Views
we probably would all be better off... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:27:28 PM 792 Views
good because Texas is taken random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:47:46 PM 820 Views
No, true, that was about the illegal immigrants. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:53:18 PM 912 Views
Oh, and did you miss the part where the federal government is appealing the decision? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:40:42 AM 469 Views
Absolutely. Legolas - 03/03/2010 09:32:41 AM 882 Views
I would consider the threat of losing my children because of my beliefs to be a real threat *NM* random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:54:08 PM 517 Views
Doesn't matter why, but all parents should have the right to homeschool..... trzaska2000 - 03/03/2010 04:48:57 AM 740 Views
there are far worse faults for a country to have *NM* LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:14:11 AM 465 Views
That whole thing is pretty silly snoopcester - 03/03/2010 12:18:45 PM 989 Views
Re: socialising. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:13:49 PM 916 Views
And then there are secular people like myself, who The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:44:13 PM 872 Views
I think I'd do that too, if I had the patience. Rebekah - 03/03/2010 06:45:20 PM 735 Views
*agree* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:41:56 PM 909 Views
That is the catagory I'm in. Beqi - 03/03/2010 07:46:12 PM 796 Views
Re: probably more likely snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:19:37 AM 920 Views
I am opposed to homeschooling but believe it should be a legal option. Tom - 03/03/2010 02:32:34 PM 880 Views
I think you make a good point here random thoughts - 03/03/2010 05:22:59 PM 894 Views
but...but...parents can't educate their children outside of school!! LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 05:40:30 PM 822 Views
I don't agree with them I just support their right to be wrong random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:04:11 PM 885 Views
The statistics are flawed, as I've noted above LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:07:11 PM 739 Views
they tend to beat private schools as well would should flatten out the demographics random thoughts - 03/03/2010 07:53:38 PM 829 Views
Your views on this are not fact-driven Isaac - 03/03/2010 09:13:07 PM 918 Views
No, what you're saying is that my answer isn't driven by STATISTICS. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:36:50 PM 859 Views
Granted, but there is no obvious source for bias Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:57:19 PM 791 Views
Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Tom - 03/03/2010 11:51:17 PM 699 Views
Re: Again, I'm not saying it applies to everyone Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:16:29 AM 942 Views
You mean aside from the fact that you are already arguing about it? snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:14:02 AM 670 Views
Yes, I mentioned this in my reply to Tom, see below... Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:19:42 AM 810 Views
Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 12:21:41 AM 732 Views
Re: Fair enough Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:37:06 AM 1162 Views
Re: Fair enough snoopcester - 04/03/2010 09:39:38 AM 850 Views
And the wikipedia article you pointed me to had a different study that contradicts your point. Tom - 03/03/2010 10:42:54 PM 805 Views
Religious or *moral* instruction Isaac - 03/03/2010 10:49:48 PM 865 Views
I haven't really "met" you the way I meant it in that reply Tom - 03/03/2010 11:48:11 PM 665 Views
Granted but for our purposes I think people on this site would qualify Isaac - 04/03/2010 12:05:03 AM 835 Views
Umm Massachusetts did have slavery in 1717 random thoughts - 03/03/2010 02:55:25 PM 777 Views
His argument on the law of Germany is a bad one generally, though, not just for that reason. Tom - 03/03/2010 03:31:00 PM 690 Views
Wow....so this got the board going. A question for everyone... Jeordam - 03/03/2010 06:02:57 PM 966 Views
I think it is incumbent on the state to show that kids are being in some way harmed random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:07:13 PM 906 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:25:43 PM 987 Views
I never said there should be no limits on what parents should be able to do random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:38:53 PM 937 Views
What you said was: SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:51:26 PM 955 Views
I think it's safe to say teaching your kids to be little sociopaths qualifies as harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 09:17:48 PM 729 Views
I think so too SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:46:41 PM 939 Views
I think the problem there was it was seen as inherently political, that, and showing harm. Joel - 03/03/2010 11:44:21 PM 761 Views
Yes they do. Provided... LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 805 Views
One of the reasons... Avendesora - 03/03/2010 07:40:54 PM 889 Views
that is fair enough LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:51:31 PM 768 Views
There is a reason why education until 18 (or 16, depending) is not merely a right, but a duty. Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:00:53 PM 875 Views
Hmmph. Inappropriate action on the part of the judge who allowed them to stay. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 06:22:08 PM 834 Views
I agree completely with this. *NM* The Shrike - 03/03/2010 06:42:01 PM 525 Views
agree. *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 06:49:01 PM 344 Views
You just skip the part where they have to show they are being persecuted random thoughts - 03/03/2010 06:54:20 PM 960 Views
"Persecution" can be a matter of opinion, though. SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 07:04:46 PM 927 Views
officers will track down kids ditching school here. LadyLorraine - 03/03/2010 07:17:57 PM 970 Views
I'm not sure what they do in Canada SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 10:49:00 PM 955 Views
Agrees Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:54:59 PM 802 Views
As I said, most people would prefer to have their safety threatened to losing their kids. *NM* Cannoli - 06/03/2010 10:14:52 PM 551 Views
New Cosmic Powers of the admins Roland00 - 03/03/2010 06:52:57 PM 705 Views
It is the Power of the Ben™ *NM* Avendesora - 03/03/2010 08:48:11 PM 478 Views
*walks in, looks around* ßelals Girl - 03/03/2010 07:52:09 PM 910 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* Macharius - 03/03/2010 09:25:46 PM 695 Views
What, no defending Germany today? *NM* Legolas - 03/03/2010 10:03:01 PM 484 Views
Even I need a day off *NM* ßelals Girl - 04/03/2010 01:02:17 AM 478 Views
Re: *walks in, looks around* ironclad - 03/03/2010 10:33:24 PM 729 Views
Interesting SilverWarder - 03/03/2010 11:02:27 PM 910 Views
Am I recalling correctly that you know some German? Legolas - 03/03/2010 11:07:00 PM 865 Views
Sorry, nope. SilverWarder - 04/03/2010 09:14:49 PM 669 Views
Oh. Ah well. Legolas - 04/03/2010 09:23:11 PM 813 Views
One thing all of us homeschooled kids are missing is... beckstcw - 04/03/2010 01:53:22 AM 786 Views
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