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If you think spellcasters are wimps, than you are doing it wrong Roland00 Send a noteboard - 11/03/2010 02:28:50 AM
If you think spellcasters are wimps, than you are doing it wrong

No offense :P

Instead of trying to do a generalist wizard try this.

Focused Specialist (give up 3 schools of magic instead of 2, lose 1 general slot of each level of magic per day, in return you gain 3 spell slots of each spell level of your specialized school). Works great with Conjuration or Transmutation.
Abrupt Jaunt (PHB2) option instead of a familiar (ability to teleport 10 ft as an intermediate action, and thus in response to an opponent's attack, a number of times per day as your intelligence modifier)
and the
Spontaneous Divination (Complete Champion) option (give up your 5th level wizard bonus feat to be able to spontaneous cast any divination spell from any spell list even if that spell is not in your spell book)

Now your tactics are to prevent your enemies from attacking/moving/acting in general. "Battlefield control" thus you are conjuring solid fogs (reduces movement to 5 and blocks vision), black tentacles (grappling), summon monsters (damage and grappling), walls of stone (corralling the enemy taking them down one at a time) etc.

Here are two good builds

Wizard 5/X 4/Innate of Sevenfold Veil 7/Archmage 4. Innate of Sevenfold Veil (Complete Arcane) gives you many intermediate action walls/veils that you can put up that either screw the enemy or protect oneself. Now these veils block line of sight as well as line of effect for your enemies while not blocking line of sight as well as line of effect for you. Thus you are protected from most magic, yet your enemy is not allowing you to cast magic on them from relatively safety. The X 4 is any prestige class that is full spellcasting.

Wizard 5/Malconvoker 9/X 6 Malconvoker loses 1 caster level but gains the ability to summon two evil creatures at one time instead of one, and use them for the forces of good. While I like this class you may not want to do it with your current playgroup.

Alignments can suck it, they just cause problems in table top games.


But then I'm not a fan of D&D in general. It's not a great system and my experience so far with 3.5(ish) hasn't been positive at all. Spellcasters are still wimp-o-rama in a fight or at taking damage but their abilities have been greatly neutered by the game system.

And I'm not a fan of level based systems anymore anyway. But my wife is and it's her game.

Sorry about you and your friend


Thanks. I'm still hoping he'll grow a brain and see reason. Not holding my breath though.


Good luck, though I don't understand why it bothers him so much. I can see it bothering him, and I understand that, but my brain doesn't think the way his does.

Good luck :)
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What a ridiculous and tragic thing... - 07/03/2010 09:34:55 AM 860 Views
Very strange. Sounds like he needs to calm down and realize it's just a game. - 07/03/2010 10:08:04 AM 491 Views
That's kind of what I think too - 07/03/2010 04:06:34 PM 414 Views
Logic doesn't come in to it - 07/03/2010 11:01:42 AM 429 Views
Well I was pretty passionate too - 07/03/2010 04:08:17 PM 439 Views
Eek. - 07/03/2010 11:07:53 AM 441 Views
Ain't it though - 07/03/2010 04:10:58 PM 417 Views
How very odd - 07/03/2010 11:24:49 AM 413 Views
It is strange - 07/03/2010 04:12:18 PM 414 Views
This happens in gaming groups sometimes, there's an easy fix - 07/03/2010 04:26:17 PM 467 Views
Interesting idea - 07/03/2010 04:38:50 PM 418 Views
Re: Interesting idea - 07/03/2010 05:06:04 PM 426 Views
I kept waiting for Bel-Air... *NM* - 07/03/2010 05:53:06 PM 203 Views
well for one, resurrection isn't SUPPOSED to be cheap and accessible - 07/03/2010 06:13:41 PM 423 Views
This is in Waterdeep - 08/03/2010 06:06:14 AM 418 Views
The cognitive-developmental explanation: - 07/03/2010 07:43:49 PM 417 Views
In fairness, I'm not sure one is 'higher' than the other. - 08/03/2010 06:07:17 AM 412 Views
LOL Ham-fisted reduction ftw *NM* - 09/03/2010 10:09:08 PM 167 Views
Why do YOU have be cleared of evil charges? Why does it matter if he calls you evil? - 08/03/2010 12:38:17 AM 424 Views
Because he's taken it out of the game - 08/03/2010 06:03:37 AM 411 Views
Oh. I thought he was accusing your character of being evil. - 10/03/2010 11:06:26 AM 416 Views
Well, that too - 10/03/2010 10:25:14 PM 405 Views
Alignments can suck it - 10/03/2010 04:20:24 PM 417 Views
I'm not a fan of them either - 10/03/2010 10:27:34 PM 393 Views
If you think spellcasters are wimps, than you are doing it wrong - 11/03/2010 02:28:50 AM 439 Views
Re: If you think spellcasters are wimps, than you are doing it wrong - 11/03/2010 02:10:09 PM 408 Views
Agree about one thing disagree about another - 11/03/2010 03:21:20 PM 392 Views
Well for me it's like this... - 11/03/2010 06:19:26 PM 374 Views
Mages are now not very good at Direct Damage - 11/03/2010 06:29:21 PM 364 Views
Oh and I don't see the reduction of damage of damage for mages to be a bad thing - 11/03/2010 06:30:01 PM 390 Views
It's just very different - 12/03/2010 03:15:43 PM 409 Views

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