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Re: It didn't really seem something that needed elaborating Isaac Send a noteboard - 14/03/2010 06:31:45 PM
It's a good thing you inserted "self-described" there. :P


Yes, I've been monitoring his slow shift to the right with great pleasure, much like Dennis Miller or my mother he is what I call a 'Bush Democrat', he just in denial, soon he will realize he has joined the Dark Side, Mwahahahaha!!!! the right wing. Realistically though, there's no getting around that the 'center' of the left has definitely drifted leaving a lot of it's more centrist members a bit bewildered, OSC seems one such.

As for the NYT picking out Texas, it has that history of being very influential nationally because of its population, and more drama and controversy than in most other states, so that seems rather obvious a choice.


That's one interpretation, the other being that Texas, whose democrats are basically right-wing compared to a New England republican, represent a good place to look when trying to find ways to imply the crazy right is trying to brainwash kids to view the Founders as infallible demigods and the GOP as their clergy. Considering the NYT's track record these days I find the latter more likely than the former as primary motivator.

I realize that the NC case is just an illustration, but it's interesting to debate its merits nonetheless. What I think is an important fact is that the Founding Fathers and early American history *does* appear in actual HS - but in the Civics class. Which one would think is ideal for OSC's views of how to teach about that period, since he sounds like he wants more propaganda than history anyway.

Because frankly, when I see sentences like "So the foundation story of America, the source of all the values and struggles that made America the freest, most prosperous, most generous, most exceptional nation in the history of the world will be a story for little kids?", I'm inclined to say, that sounds about right, the elder kids can get the historical version of America's foundation instead of the fairy tale version.

And it's absolutely true what you say about how one can go in greater depth and detail in higher years - why do you think Flanders has the system it has, with the 20th century coming in the last year so it can be studied in the most depth? I think it's absolutely right to reserve the most detailed treatment for the most recent period, as that is going to be the most relevant and the most important. If you then want to make an exception and give special additional attention to the founding of your country or the Civil War, that is one would think precisely what the Civics class is for. So I don't really see any major flaws in this suggestion they made.


I've no particular objection to this method myself. As mentioned, I have a very limited knowledge of how kids learn history in high school, what little I do know about education at that level usually comes from me demanding info and math and science after a 'What do you mean you don't know what a quadratic equation is?', I rarely asked my students what amount of history. I would say that much of that makes sense, but it is an area I avoid giving much input on since I don't have much context and even as a kid I always read history books like I'd read an editorial, assuming a slant, because I started by reading autobiographies, which now that I think about it was probably a good thing.
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Texas Approves Curriculum Revised by Conservatives - 13/03/2010 12:02:15 AM 1335 Views
"Impartial Historical Account" is an oxymoron - 13/03/2010 12:21:20 AM 619 Views
Exactly, no such thing as "Impartial" history - 13/03/2010 12:54:49 AM 498 Views
So is "a sinless life," but that doesn't justify murder. *NM* - 14/03/2010 12:22:16 AM 214 Views
Strange choice of analogies... - 14/03/2010 12:17:03 PM 506 Views
I could be wrong, but I think his point was simply... - 14/03/2010 03:53:23 PM 585 Views
I think it was that it just seems too out of place - 14/03/2010 04:14:55 PM 635 Views
I dunno, you didn't elaborate much on your oxymoron statement. - 14/03/2010 04:29:04 PM 635 Views
It didn't really seem something that needed elaborating - 14/03/2010 05:20:33 PM 678 Views
Re: It didn't really seem something that needed elaborating - 14/03/2010 05:51:58 PM 692 Views
Re: It didn't really seem something that needed elaborating - 14/03/2010 06:31:45 PM 642 Views
I would object to the idea that objectivity was ever the goal - 15/03/2010 05:46:08 PM 596 Views
Heil! - 13/03/2010 12:22:35 AM 654 Views
It's about time. - 13/03/2010 01:17:25 AM 639 Views
Don't forget interned German-Americans in BOTH world wars. *NM* - 13/03/2010 02:47:25 AM 341 Views
Some of it can make sense - 13/03/2010 01:28:53 AM 719 Views
effing retarded *NM* - 13/03/2010 01:38:10 AM 249 Views
Re: Texas Approves Curriculum Revised by Conservatives - 13/03/2010 03:10:22 AM 628 Views
Many of those subjects are relevant school topics. *shrugs* *NM* - 13/03/2010 04:43:41 AM 307 Views
A fascinating thing, culture wars. - 14/03/2010 04:16:35 PM 668 Views
When does revisionist history descend to the level of mere hypocrisy? I weep for my country. - 15/03/2010 04:16:25 AM 785 Views
calling Zavala a city is a bit of a stretch don't you think? - 15/03/2010 05:39:03 PM 577 Views
Seguin's a city, or at least town; Zavala is a county. - 15/03/2010 09:00:54 PM 538 Views
Pfft, Seguin is a dump. - 15/03/2010 09:11:09 PM 550 Views
Not the point! - 15/03/2010 09:30:19 PM 508 Views
Zavalla is a town as well and city is a bit of stretch for Seguin - 15/03/2010 10:23:41 PM 491 Views
Fair enough, just trying to make clear I was speaking about municipality and county, respectively. - 29/03/2010 03:49:30 PM 519 Views
See the problem is the argument is total BS - 29/03/2010 05:27:53 PM 552 Views
Dunno if I'd go that far. - 29/03/2010 08:50:40 PM 636 Views
I am sure you wouldn't - 31/03/2010 04:19:09 PM 585 Views
Based on this article it is worryingly political - 15/03/2010 11:46:53 AM 507 Views
Do you have any examples of where they are not teaching the truth? - 15/03/2010 05:42:27 PM 524 Views
I think it is what they are leaving out that is worrisome. - 15/03/2010 06:58:38 PM 545 Views
I don't see anything sayting they are leaving that out - 15/03/2010 08:26:50 PM 539 Views
We were talking about this last night - 15/03/2010 11:38:02 PM 746 Views
Also - 15/03/2010 11:41:45 PM 482 Views
Still not sure I see a problem - 16/03/2010 04:58:50 PM 482 Views
This thread is indeed making me wonder how textbooks are used in the US... - 16/03/2010 05:05:13 PM 474 Views
for political posturing of course - 16/03/2010 05:26:13 PM 547 Views

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