Oh dear, who ever let you two get into a subthread together?
Legolas Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 10:31:24 PM
So in other words you were at wotmania far longer than I. I'm sorry you missed the CMB when it was still an awesome place. For all that CERTAIN PEOPLE think I get all my news from DailyKos (I think I've been there MAYBE a half dozen times in as many years) my main news outlet used to be the wotmania CMB, because I knew that ANY news story would show up there hours, sometimes days, before it appeared anywhere else, and the breadth, depth and civility of discussion would outstrip all or most other sources. I'm actually at something of a loss these days, because there are few other places I know to get timely news accounts that don't favor one perspective over others, when they don't just gloss over the issue in a blurb.
I have to say, I think you have a bit rose-coloured glasses here. Wotmania being better than most of the rest of the net is a fact, but regrettably that's not saying much. There's always been drama and harsh words. The only real difference is that there were more people and so political posts weren't quite as repetitive with the same people clashing in almost every thread - and people weren't quite as clique-ish about the politics as a result. Plus, there was the incomparable aerocontrols and his talent for annihilating shoddy arguments from any side without getting harsh or insulting about it. Having "critiques" from him on my posts certainly helped me.
... okay, maybe I do agree with you after all, then. But it did go into shouting matches at times, trust me.
TX does at least have open primaries, but at the core I think people should be able to vote in all primaries for the same reason I'm offended by comments on "Real America. " If any party seeks to represent the nation, or claims to, then the whole nation should have a say in its leadership, and we'd probably have less extremist nominees were that the case. The spectacle that, IMHO, doomed McCain by forcing him to shed his moderate image to win a primary with the base then try to shed a RIGHT WING image to win the general election is one very familiar to Democrats. For decades national candidates couldn't get nominated without appeals to most far left elements of the base, which then came back to haunt them during the general campaign. Letting everyone vote in every primary would go along way toward ending the factionalism Washington rightly rejected as harmful to the nation.
I agree with this, but only as an inferior alternative for tackling the problem at the base and getting rid of the 100% FPTP system Congress now has - like Isaac suggests. Since that's likely never going to happen, the inferior alternative is probably best.
Healthcare needs to be split into separate bills, but tort reform needs to be included because that's how massive bills enact things that can't stand on their own merit? Surely if we can justify tort reform as part of one massive healthcare bill, we can justify HEALTHCARES inclusion on the same basis. Personally, I'm a little sick of the political calculus in which BOTH sides are evaluating healthcare legislation solely in terms of how it will impact the midterms. LBJ took his lumps on Medicare and the Civil Rights Act despite having to run a re-election campaign along the way, because they were the right thing to do. But Obama is no LBJ or FDR, as becomes more apparent daily.
It's very odd with Obama. Like Isaac says, you have to wonder who's advising him - I don't even think his unfulfilled promises during the election campaign were insincere at the time he made them, yet you really can't say he looks like he's trying very hard to fulfill them.
Congress is less puzzling - there it's just a matter of perverse incentives that need to be dealt with one way or another if government in the US is to improve substantially (can you tell I'm an economist? ).
Palin reads Cheat Notes.
08/02/2010 12:43:02 AM
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Is it really worse than reading answers on a teleprompter? sorry, I see no big deal here. *NM*
08/02/2010 01:02:49 AM
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yes yes it is. a teleprompter is subtle
08/02/2010 01:22:17 AM
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a teleprompter is not subtle
08/02/2010 02:25:46 PM
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staring openly and blatantly at your hand is? *NM*
08/02/2010 03:09:25 PM
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I think if anyone else had done the dame thing we wouldn't even had heard about
08/02/2010 06:13:44 PM
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Yes for what the notes were
08/02/2010 12:44:35 PM
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he is calling her content free while attacking her in such a content free manner?
08/02/2010 02:50:04 PM
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It's good the media still hounds her. I don't want her to be a candidate. *NM*
08/02/2010 01:20:21 AM
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This only obscures the rational reasons for duly decrying her political popularity. Moooooooo. *NM*
08/02/2010 03:19:45 AM
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I disagree, I think it underscores it.
08/02/2010 03:39:57 AM
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Or they might believe that a far left liberal
08/02/2010 04:16:51 AM
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Calling someone who needs a cheat sheet for their talking points stupid isn't an ad hominem, IMHO.
08/02/2010 12:13:36 PM
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soory but your wrong, again
08/02/2010 02:23:31 PM
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You shouldn't need reminders of your major themes after two years pushing them.
08/02/2010 02:55:22 PM
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I used to work in a call center and had a note to remind me to talk slower
08/02/2010 05:54:25 PM
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I don't hate her, and I think most liberals love her.
09/02/2010 10:45:25 AM
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way to play the pregant daughter card
09/02/2010 03:06:37 PM
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*shrugs* If you're going to suggest sex ed is harmful, unnecessary and promotes promiscuity...
10/02/2010 08:34:16 AM
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so if you don't support the liberal agenda your family is fair game for attack? nice to you admit it
10/02/2010 06:26:30 PM
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Um, no, if you're going to demand everyone follow your advice it better not be disastrous for you.
11/02/2010 05:29:01 AM
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Do you have anb example of when she demanded everyone follow her advice?
11/02/2010 05:33:17 AM
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Honestly, her sex ed position seems so muddled to me it's hard to say
11/02/2010 06:50:39 AM
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That's a bit silly
08/02/2010 08:40:25 PM
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I'm perfectly happy to discuss her positions; I just think Huckabee does a better job of it.
09/02/2010 10:26:54 AM
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Well, let's discuss some of these points
09/02/2010 07:13:33 PM
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Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points
10/02/2010 09:15:04 AM
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Re: Well, let's discuss some of these points
10/02/2010 06:49:51 PM
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Ironically, Palin seems to agree this is different than using a teleprompter for a speech.
11/02/2010 09:05:19 AM
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Again, two seperate things
11/02/2010 09:51:15 PM
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Agreed, but Palin and other Republicans, not I, drew the comparison.
15/02/2010 01:02:25 PM
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Just to get the obligatory Feinstein comment out of the way...
15/02/2010 11:43:42 PM
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Hadn't heard, actually.
19/02/2010 06:58:50 AM
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Re: Hadn't heard, actually.
19/02/2010 08:32:11 AM
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Ah.
23/02/2010 09:55:45 PM
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Re: Ah.
24/02/2010 01:32:34 AM
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Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement.
01/03/2010 03:51:49 AM
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Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement.
01/03/2010 11:46:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, I think we've reached an understanding if not agreement.
05/03/2010 12:11:48 AM
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Random Title
05/03/2010 02:49:59 AM
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15/03/2010 05:37:22 AM
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15/03/2010 09:17:53 PM
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Oh dear, who ever let you two get into a subthread together?
15/03/2010 10:31:24 PM
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I disagree. For all we know she has a learning disability. "Disability" does not equal "stupid".
09/02/2010 03:23:24 PM
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A possibility I hadn't considered, true, and sorry if I gave offense.
10/02/2010 08:25:52 AM
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oh yes, and the right never uses ad hominem
08/02/2010 03:56:42 PM
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I do see as the primary focus like I see from the left these days *NM*
08/02/2010 06:15:22 PM
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could you rephrase? you seem to be missing a noun or something in there. *NM*
08/02/2010 07:57:19 PM
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misisng a couple actually
08/02/2010 08:04:35 PM
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Touch typing is easier, at least to learn, if you don't try to read it at the same time, FYI.
10/02/2010 09:24:33 AM
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Really how many times can you rememeber a Bush press sec openly ridicule people in a press confrence
10/02/2010 06:28:57 PM
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Good point; all they used to do was have the VP say opponents helped terrorists.
11/02/2010 05:33:08 AM
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one is about actions ands the other is about personal attacks
05/03/2010 02:19:38 PM
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True, one is about what Palin DID and the other is just characterizing opposition as treason.
15/03/2010 04:39:45 AM
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This is petty and also rather ignorant
08/02/2010 03:59:40 AM
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so you're saying you're as dumb as sarah palin?
08/02/2010 10:55:00 AM
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In other news liberals can't get over someone being popular they don't agree with
08/02/2010 04:12:19 AM
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It's completely unprofessional
08/02/2010 08:27:47 AM
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yeah, she should have had them inscribed into her nail polish instead...
08/02/2010 10:55:43 AM
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why?
08/02/2010 02:29:44 PM
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You know that's a good question
08/02/2010 05:19:10 PM
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maybe you are just projecting
08/02/2010 06:15:57 PM
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well what is the association we have with notes on hands?
08/02/2010 07:58:41 PM
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or people on the far left are being grossly disingenuous
08/02/2010 08:18:06 PM
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dude, only posted it because it was funny
08/02/2010 08:43:55 PM
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so you like to point at people and laugh and can't understand why others would object
08/02/2010 11:24:37 PM
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Who cares? She's hot. *NM*
08/02/2010 03:06:58 PM
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Much ado about nothing. She was just making sure she didn't forget anything.
09/02/2010 02:00:56 AM
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I don't like the woman at all, but this is just silly. Who cares? *NM*
11/02/2010 10:11:17 PM
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