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Re: Uh. MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 29/03/2010 07:03:14 PM
At worst, I'd say the commercial is a little crude (calling music black or white instead of soulful/contemporary or classic), but Dutch people probably have a crude exposure to diversity.


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I just went back and read my post and I can see how that last statement might be offensive. I only meant that there is probably a lot less diversity in the Dutch community (where black people are concerned, at least) than in America. I don't have the stats at hand, but I'm pretty sure America is a lot more racially sensitive (due to our history and high minority populations) than a lot of european nations. Take a look at the Spanish National basketball team's photoshoot for the '08 Olympics in Beijing.

What I was trying to say in the post was that calling something "black" isn't racially hateful, i.e. racist. It might be insensitive though to some people who don't want to be characterized by their race, but unless there's hate or degradation behind it, it's not racist.

I think a lot of great jazz artists who aren't black, would say the add is crude and stupid, but the fact remains african-american people largely created jazz/soulful music.

Again, I hearken to my table example. I made a table so it's ok if you call it Alex's table, but I wouldn't appreciate it if you called it Alex's table and made it synonymous with something stupid or defective.

Maybe dutch people have a strong association with soulful r and b or jazz music and black people, I'm not sure. But if that's the case, then I don't see it is racist at all. Asians are often depicted as martial artists even though there are many non-asian martial artists. This isn't racist at all, though it may be racially insensitive in some cases.
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I'd say that's pretty racist. - 22/03/2010 01:53:59 PM 873 Views
I don't think it's racist at all - 22/03/2010 07:15:55 PM 932 Views
Uh. - 22/03/2010 09:36:35 PM 1021 Views
Re: Uh. - 29/03/2010 07:03:14 PM 966 Views
I'm not Dutch, but that was a pretty ignornant claim - 29/03/2010 07:20:09 PM 880 Views
Re: I'm not Dutch, but that was a pretty ignornant claim - 29/03/2010 07:28:34 PM 993 Views
Not "higher" nor "lower," but "different" would be the word to use here - 29/03/2010 07:46:15 PM 820 Views
Re: Not "higher" nor "lower," but "different" would be the word to use here - 29/03/2010 07:53:56 PM 785 Views
An illustration of Larry's point... - 29/03/2010 08:14:55 PM 838 Views
This. ~points at Larry's post~ *NM* - 29/03/2010 07:42:35 PM 486 Views
Re: This. ~points at Larry's post~ - 29/03/2010 07:57:30 PM 869 Views
Um. - 29/03/2010 08:00:54 PM 1017 Views
Re: Um. - 29/03/2010 08:44:31 PM 822 Views
My question for you was on that one line that Larry responded to. - 29/03/2010 08:46:26 PM 857 Views
I was thinking the same thing as Rebekah - 23/03/2010 07:15:51 AM 878 Views
I don't see it - 22/03/2010 08:19:31 PM 883 Views
+1 *NM* - 22/03/2010 08:30:01 PM 467 Views
Re: +2 *NM* - 22/03/2010 09:53:43 PM 470 Views
Re: +3 *NM* - 22/03/2010 10:00:55 PM 451 Views
i'd say the actions in the commercial are more racist than the words - 22/03/2010 10:00:02 PM 847 Views
It would not float here in the US - 22/03/2010 10:07:08 PM 866 Views
Agreed. - 23/03/2010 05:36:14 AM 1027 Views
Could you please expand on one point in your reasoning? - 23/03/2010 07:20:31 AM 886 Views
It's not race specific music if it's enjoyed/performed/presented by various races. - 23/03/2010 07:32:33 AM 1126 Views
MOBO - 23/03/2010 10:20:22 AM 825 Views
Nice term, if a bit clumsy - 23/03/2010 11:10:34 AM 843 Views
The trouble lies in historical neuroses cooked in our melting pot, I think. - 23/03/2010 11:29:06 AM 871 Views
I suspect so as well - 23/03/2010 12:32:00 PM 972 Views
Well, the thing is, "American" is PURELY a culture, not a race. - 23/03/2010 01:55:59 PM 1100 Views
That's part of what I was thinking - 23/03/2010 07:50:19 AM 1222 Views
Only if it's racist to mention the fact that different races exist. Which seems to be the US view. - 23/03/2010 09:24:23 AM 862 Views
Agreed - 23/03/2010 10:21:59 AM 895 Views
Not at all, the problem is when people seem to say something is exclusive to a given race. - 23/03/2010 11:51:06 AM 1121 Views
I agree with some of what you say, but I think you're assuming more than is warranted. - 23/03/2010 02:33:34 PM 824 Views
perhaps not as default... - 23/03/2010 03:08:19 PM 911 Views
The term encompasses listeners, performers and presenters. - 23/03/2010 04:42:55 PM 921 Views
So it's really not about skin color any more, right? - 23/03/2010 09:12:20 PM 946 Views
it's racist and unacceptable. - 23/03/2010 09:07:10 PM 985 Views

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