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ME1 wasn't even going to release on the PC initially, so I think we could be worse off. Zalis Send a noteboard - 22/01/2011 03:27:05 PM
And that's fine; I agree that ME2 was more fun to kill things in than ME1, mostly (global cooldowns sucked). But the story was just... so... meh. I enjoyed it a great deal, but Super Terminator dude had me actually laughing. Sovereign, on the other hand, gave me chills.


Sovereign was a much better villain. There's no doubt there. Most of the gameplay mechanics Bioware trimmed in ME2 were things they were new at in ME, having only made more traditional RPGs in the past.

It's the Morrowind/Oblivion debate all over again, really. My personal preferences tend to lean more toward tons of options and a rich story, instead of the more streamlined things of recent years (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 2). I know it's not entirely the consoles' fault, but the "simplify everything" mindset that accompanies them is making some of my favorite series less fun.


I just don't think we can blame ME2's story changes on the consoles when it was originally going to be an Xbox exclusive series anyway. It's middle child trilogy syndrome and the story had a much different structure. (buildup for one op with small stories everywhere, rather than a longer series of unraveling a mystery plot) The exploration is something I missed, with each planet's content being cut in half and being more mission-oriented, but that's about it. Aside from ME2 being a different part of the overall story arc, I preferred it in nearly way. It may not have been as good of a story, but it was better at telling the story it told. (at the risk of sounding redundant)

Fallout 3's dumbing-down had just as much to do with Bethesda taking the series as it did with consoles. The previous Fallout games weren't sandbox titles, and that's pretty much all Bethesda can make. (despite Morrowind being brilliant)

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I don't mean to be saying you're wrong here. We agree on some of this, and have a habit of replying even when it's not necessarily a rebuttal.
The sword might be grateful to the forge fire, but never fond of it.
This message last edited by Zalis on 22/01/2011 at 11:02:53 PM
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I need a good RPG. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 06:49:32 PM 3374 Views
The Witcher Zalis - 13/01/2011 07:13:50 PM 2055 Views
I have the Witcher waiting at home for me to install next week Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:59:45 PM 1880 Views
Hm. I have it as a project to improve my French, but I found the gameplay pretty boring. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:38:15 AM 2026 Views
If you find The Witcher boring, you'll likely feel the same about Baldur's Gate 2, IWD, etc. Zalis - 14/01/2011 03:07:12 PM 1974 Views
All right. I'll give it a shot, then. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:17:17 PM 1109 Views
Make sure you get the enhanced edition, or whatever it's called. Aemon - 14/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 1998 Views
It's funny, that, because it's based on a critically acclaimed book series. Legolas - 15/01/2011 01:13:39 PM 1999 Views
I've heard that, yeah. I just don't think enough of it made it into the game. (minor spoilers) Aemon - 15/01/2011 08:12:34 PM 1986 Views
The thing is, what works in a book doesn't necessarily work in a game. lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 06:15:10 PM 2065 Views
Wow, I guess you touched a nerve, Legolas. New pet peeve discovered! *NM* lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 06:22:37 PM 1131 Views
I don't have time to do this justice, but I'll make a brief comment. Aemon - 18/01/2011 09:30:20 PM 2019 Views
Did you read his post? lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 09:59:21 PM 1992 Views
Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't have time to respond to. Aemon - 18/01/2011 10:31:46 PM 1973 Views
Re: Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't have time to respond to. lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 10:43:20 PM 2054 Views
So I just realized I sparked a bit of a controversy here... I should check this board more often. Legolas - 25/01/2011 10:28:34 PM 1953 Views
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn? Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2011 08:00:21 PM 1912 Views
Try Divinity 2: Dragonknight Saga. Dan - 13/01/2011 10:38:45 PM 2187 Views
Do yourself a favor... A Deathwatch Guard - 13/01/2011 10:39:41 PM 1930 Views
Everything is the opposite of Morrowind, though. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:37:42 AM 2098 Views
Just go ahead and shoot yourself now A Deathwatch Guard - 14/01/2011 07:51:06 PM 1954 Views
...you were so right. Fable is an MMORPG without the other people. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 06:35:46 AM 1985 Views
...dislikes...Fallout...3....*dies* *NM* ironclad - 13/01/2011 11:34:10 PM 1110 Views
It was boring. Really, really boring. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:36:41 AM 2010 Views
I'm with you, brother! beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 05:51:41 AM 1992 Views
awwww...I loved Fallout 3 Fox and Ravens - 14/01/2011 03:37:51 PM 1930 Views
No... Jacob - 14/01/2011 03:47:22 PM 2160 Views
It's minecraft with guns. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:16:23 PM 1115 Views
And without a destructible environment. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:16:52 PM 1908 Views
Yet... Jacob - 15/01/2011 01:27:28 AM 1911 Views
I enjoyed its gameplay more than Fallout. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 01:40:06 AM 2003 Views
The best story I've ever seen... A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2011 05:01:47 AM 1989 Views
I never got to finish Xenogears... beetnemesis - 15/01/2011 09:37:36 AM 2040 Views
I never got to finish Xenogears... beetnemesis - 15/01/2011 09:37:36 AM 1862 Views
"It's minecraft with guns." Ouch. Come on. Fallout3 was better than that. *NM* ianski - 19/01/2011 04:09:30 AM 1088 Views
Coming from me, actually, that's higher praise than it deserves. Ghavrel - 19/01/2011 06:54:57 AM 1975 Views
I got it for like $25, I'd say that's about what Fallout 3 is worth beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 05:09:34 PM 2094 Views
You got Fallout 3 or New Vegas for $25 Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:12:26 PM 1890 Views
Fallout 3. Haven't played New Vegas. *NM* beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 07:41:24 PM 1099 Views
Jacob - 19/01/2011 09:01:18 PM 1974 Views
Wait. You haven't played it yet? ianski - 20/01/2011 03:46:17 AM 1988 Views
Well said ironclad - 20/01/2011 08:43:25 AM 1899 Views
Fallout 3 is more about the little stories than the big one... Jacob - 20/01/2011 01:55:24 PM 2049 Views
Precisely. *NM* ironclad - 20/01/2011 07:48:21 PM 1098 Views
Both games are great. Jacob - 20/01/2011 01:56:14 PM 1946 Views
Played Fallout 3, but not NV. Ghavrel - 20/01/2011 06:22:33 PM 1874 Views
I'm sure I'll be trying that new ianski - 21/01/2011 02:04:47 PM 2056 Views
Don't play Mass Effect 2 without playing Mass Effect 1. It's a much worse game. Ghavrel - 21/01/2011 06:43:16 PM 1994 Views
Yes, play ME1 first... but opinions vary about ME2. It did the most important things better, IMO. Zalis - 21/01/2011 11:57:26 PM 2054 Views
PC gaming is drying up. ianski - 22/01/2011 01:29:09 AM 1915 Views
That's true if gameplay is more important to you than story. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 06:50:32 AM 2011 Views
ME1 wasn't even going to release on the PC initially, so I think we could be worse off. Zalis - 22/01/2011 03:27:05 PM 1867 Views
Fallout 3 was a post apocalyptic Oblivion. MightyYT - 14/01/2011 08:02:28 AM 2030 Views
If you want a GREAT story, I would go for... MightyYT - 14/01/2011 08:04:15 AM 2046 Views
I second the idea of Borderlands if you like loot-generating/diabloesque RPGs w/ others. Zalis - 14/01/2011 03:09:29 PM 1952 Views
Played it. It was good. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:15:38 PM 1114 Views
the baldur's gate trilogy and the icewind dales *NM* Foxhead - 14/01/2011 09:32:32 AM 1038 Views
Icewind Dale has no story. Fanatic-Templar - 14/01/2011 07:19:15 PM 1932 Views
I'm surprised you liked Oblivion. Dan - 15/01/2011 12:47:24 AM 2062 Views
I liked Oblivion because it was the sequel to Morrowind. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 01:31:51 AM 1865 Views
Do you know about "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"? It will be released Nov 2011 *NM* Roland00 - 15/01/2011 04:52:13 AM 1052 Views
The trailer to that is so awesome A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2011 04:58:04 AM 1896 Views
It is a good teaser... Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:21:15 PM 1945 Views
I do. But after Oblivion, I refuse to buy into hype. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 06:34:49 AM 1919 Views
Final Fantasy 8. Nebhead - 18/01/2011 09:10:51 AM 2168 Views
That was the first FF I quit before even finishing, and consequently the last I played in the series Zalis - 18/01/2011 03:23:40 PM 1952 Views
I wouldn't even call JRPGs and Western RPGs the same genre, really. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 19/01/2011 02:45:17 PM 1008 Views
Like SVU and NCIS are both crime dramas, stylistic differences can remain under one genre umbrella. Zalis - 19/01/2011 03:11:41 PM 1944 Views
Yeah, I think I'm running into WRPG burnout. Ghavrel - 19/01/2011 06:23:49 PM 2017 Views
Worth a shot. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/01/2011 06:07:23 PM 1077 Views
If you're going the Final Fantasy route, I'd recommend Final Fantasy Tactics. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/01/2011 06:36:02 PM 1038 Views
ianski - 21/01/2011 02:14:41 PM 1934 Views
The gameplay or the story? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/01/2011 06:24:06 AM 1070 Views
Gameplay is preventing me from playing this game. ianski - 23/01/2011 03:09:39 PM 1988 Views
Go SNES! FF6, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound... beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 07:42:23 PM 1860 Views
I can agree to that. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2011 08:03:59 PM 2016 Views
A suggestion we can all agree on. Zalis - 19/01/2011 08:07:54 PM 2047 Views
Holy. Fanatic-Templar - 21/01/2011 08:17:35 PM 2017 Views
What do you think of Strategy RPGs? *NM* Roland00 - 20/01/2011 03:59:52 PM 1051 Views
wat *NM* Ghavrel - 21/01/2011 04:13:07 AM 962 Views
Strat-RPG?? Are they doing a Jagged Alliance sequel?? ianski - 21/01/2011 02:06:05 PM 1841 Views
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