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ME1 wasn't even going to release on the PC initially, so I think we could be worse off. Zalis Send a noteboard - 22/01/2011 03:27:05 PM
And that's fine; I agree that ME2 was more fun to kill things in than ME1, mostly (global cooldowns sucked). But the story was just... so... meh. I enjoyed it a great deal, but Super Terminator dude had me actually laughing. Sovereign, on the other hand, gave me chills.


Sovereign was a much better villain. There's no doubt there. Most of the gameplay mechanics Bioware trimmed in ME2 were things they were new at in ME, having only made more traditional RPGs in the past.

It's the Morrowind/Oblivion debate all over again, really. My personal preferences tend to lean more toward tons of options and a rich story, instead of the more streamlined things of recent years (Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect 2). I know it's not entirely the consoles' fault, but the "simplify everything" mindset that accompanies them is making some of my favorite series less fun.


I just don't think we can blame ME2's story changes on the consoles when it was originally going to be an Xbox exclusive series anyway. It's middle child trilogy syndrome and the story had a much different structure. (buildup for one op with small stories everywhere, rather than a longer series of unraveling a mystery plot) The exploration is something I missed, with each planet's content being cut in half and being more mission-oriented, but that's about it. Aside from ME2 being a different part of the overall story arc, I preferred it in nearly way. It may not have been as good of a story, but it was better at telling the story it told. (at the risk of sounding redundant)

Fallout 3's dumbing-down had just as much to do with Bethesda taking the series as it did with consoles. The previous Fallout games weren't sandbox titles, and that's pretty much all Bethesda can make. (despite Morrowind being brilliant)

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I don't mean to be saying you're wrong here. We agree on some of this, and have a habit of replying even when it's not necessarily a rebuttal.
The sword might be grateful to the forge fire, but never fond of it.
This message last edited by Zalis on 22/01/2011 at 11:02:53 PM
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I need a good RPG. Ghavrel - 13/01/2011 06:49:32 PM 3007 Views
The Witcher Zalis - 13/01/2011 07:13:50 PM 1845 Views
I have the Witcher waiting at home for me to install next week Stephen - 13/01/2011 08:59:45 PM 1636 Views
Hm. I have it as a project to improve my French, but I found the gameplay pretty boring. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:38:15 AM 1764 Views
If you find The Witcher boring, you'll likely feel the same about Baldur's Gate 2, IWD, etc. Zalis - 14/01/2011 03:07:12 PM 1729 Views
All right. I'll give it a shot, then. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:17:17 PM 989 Views
Make sure you get the enhanced edition, or whatever it's called. Aemon - 14/01/2011 09:56:56 PM 1772 Views
It's funny, that, because it's based on a critically acclaimed book series. Legolas - 15/01/2011 01:13:39 PM 1760 Views
I've heard that, yeah. I just don't think enough of it made it into the game. (minor spoilers) Aemon - 15/01/2011 08:12:34 PM 1710 Views
The thing is, what works in a book doesn't necessarily work in a game. lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 06:15:10 PM 1781 Views
Wow, I guess you touched a nerve, Legolas. New pet peeve discovered! *NM* lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 06:22:37 PM 990 Views
I don't have time to do this justice, but I'll make a brief comment. Aemon - 18/01/2011 09:30:20 PM 1752 Views
Did you read his post? lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 09:59:21 PM 1747 Views
Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't have time to respond to. Aemon - 18/01/2011 10:31:46 PM 1717 Views
Re: Yeah, that was one of the things I didn't have time to respond to. lord-of-shadow - 18/01/2011 10:43:20 PM 1795 Views
So I just realized I sparked a bit of a controversy here... I should check this board more often. Legolas - 25/01/2011 10:28:34 PM 1664 Views
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn? Fanatic-Templar - 13/01/2011 08:00:21 PM 1678 Views
Try Divinity 2: Dragonknight Saga. Dan - 13/01/2011 10:38:45 PM 1921 Views
Do yourself a favor... A Deathwatch Guard - 13/01/2011 10:39:41 PM 1701 Views
Everything is the opposite of Morrowind, though. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:37:42 AM 1845 Views
Just go ahead and shoot yourself now A Deathwatch Guard - 14/01/2011 07:51:06 PM 1714 Views
...you were so right. Fable is an MMORPG without the other people. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 06:35:46 AM 1735 Views
...dislikes...Fallout...3....*dies* *NM* ironclad - 13/01/2011 11:34:10 PM 975 Views
It was boring. Really, really boring. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 05:36:41 AM 1779 Views
I'm with you, brother! beetnemesis - 14/01/2011 05:51:41 AM 1769 Views
awwww...I loved Fallout 3 Fox and Ravens - 14/01/2011 03:37:51 PM 1658 Views
No... Jacob - 14/01/2011 03:47:22 PM 1905 Views
It's minecraft with guns. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:16:23 PM 972 Views
And without a destructible environment. Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:16:52 PM 1680 Views
Yet... Jacob - 15/01/2011 01:27:28 AM 1674 Views
I enjoyed its gameplay more than Fallout. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 01:40:06 AM 1759 Views
The best story I've ever seen... A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2011 05:01:47 AM 1735 Views
I never got to finish Xenogears... beetnemesis - 15/01/2011 09:37:36 AM 1772 Views
I never got to finish Xenogears... beetnemesis - 15/01/2011 09:37:36 AM 1589 Views
"It's minecraft with guns." Ouch. Come on. Fallout3 was better than that. *NM* ianski - 19/01/2011 04:09:30 AM 956 Views
Coming from me, actually, that's higher praise than it deserves. Ghavrel - 19/01/2011 06:54:57 AM 1729 Views
I got it for like $25, I'd say that's about what Fallout 3 is worth beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 05:09:34 PM 1855 Views
You got Fallout 3 or New Vegas for $25 Jacob - 19/01/2011 06:12:26 PM 1672 Views
Fallout 3. Haven't played New Vegas. *NM* beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 07:41:24 PM 961 Views
Jacob - 19/01/2011 09:01:18 PM 1733 Views
Wait. You haven't played it yet? ianski - 20/01/2011 03:46:17 AM 1750 Views
Well said ironclad - 20/01/2011 08:43:25 AM 1654 Views
Fallout 3 is more about the little stories than the big one... Jacob - 20/01/2011 01:55:24 PM 1786 Views
Precisely. *NM* ironclad - 20/01/2011 07:48:21 PM 963 Views
Both games are great. Jacob - 20/01/2011 01:56:14 PM 1701 Views
Played Fallout 3, but not NV. Ghavrel - 20/01/2011 06:22:33 PM 1639 Views
I'm sure I'll be trying that new ianski - 21/01/2011 02:04:47 PM 1813 Views
Don't play Mass Effect 2 without playing Mass Effect 1. It's a much worse game. Ghavrel - 21/01/2011 06:43:16 PM 1760 Views
Yes, play ME1 first... but opinions vary about ME2. It did the most important things better, IMO. Zalis - 21/01/2011 11:57:26 PM 1813 Views
PC gaming is drying up. ianski - 22/01/2011 01:29:09 AM 1682 Views
That's true if gameplay is more important to you than story. Ghavrel - 22/01/2011 06:50:32 AM 1775 Views
ME1 wasn't even going to release on the PC initially, so I think we could be worse off. Zalis - 22/01/2011 03:27:05 PM 1600 Views
Fallout 3 was a post apocalyptic Oblivion. MightyYT - 14/01/2011 08:02:28 AM 1789 Views
If you want a GREAT story, I would go for... MightyYT - 14/01/2011 08:04:15 AM 1797 Views
I second the idea of Borderlands if you like loot-generating/diabloesque RPGs w/ others. Zalis - 14/01/2011 03:09:29 PM 1714 Views
Played it. It was good. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/01/2011 08:15:38 PM 972 Views
the baldur's gate trilogy and the icewind dales *NM* Foxhead - 14/01/2011 09:32:32 AM 909 Views
Icewind Dale has no story. Fanatic-Templar - 14/01/2011 07:19:15 PM 1699 Views
I'm surprised you liked Oblivion. Dan - 15/01/2011 12:47:24 AM 1798 Views
I liked Oblivion because it was the sequel to Morrowind. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 01:31:51 AM 1612 Views
Do you know about "The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim"? It will be released Nov 2011 *NM* Roland00 - 15/01/2011 04:52:13 AM 928 Views
The trailer to that is so awesome A Deathwatch Guard - 15/01/2011 04:58:04 AM 1652 Views
It is a good teaser... Jacob - 18/01/2011 04:21:15 PM 1720 Views
I do. But after Oblivion, I refuse to buy into hype. Ghavrel - 15/01/2011 06:34:49 AM 1699 Views
Final Fantasy 8. Nebhead - 18/01/2011 09:10:51 AM 1911 Views
That was the first FF I quit before even finishing, and consequently the last I played in the series Zalis - 18/01/2011 03:23:40 PM 1717 Views
I wouldn't even call JRPGs and Western RPGs the same genre, really. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 19/01/2011 02:45:17 PM 898 Views
Like SVU and NCIS are both crime dramas, stylistic differences can remain under one genre umbrella. Zalis - 19/01/2011 03:11:41 PM 1698 Views
Yeah, I think I'm running into WRPG burnout. Ghavrel - 19/01/2011 06:23:49 PM 1769 Views
Worth a shot. Thanks. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/01/2011 06:07:23 PM 947 Views
If you're going the Final Fantasy route, I'd recommend Final Fantasy Tactics. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 20/01/2011 06:36:02 PM 919 Views
ianski - 21/01/2011 02:14:41 PM 1702 Views
The gameplay or the story? *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 22/01/2011 06:24:06 AM 949 Views
Gameplay is preventing me from playing this game. ianski - 23/01/2011 03:09:39 PM 1777 Views
Go SNES! FF6, Chrono Trigger, Earthbound... beetnemesis - 19/01/2011 07:42:23 PM 1630 Views
I can agree to that. Fanatic-Templar - 19/01/2011 08:03:59 PM 1782 Views
A suggestion we can all agree on. Zalis - 19/01/2011 08:07:54 PM 1768 Views
Holy. Fanatic-Templar - 21/01/2011 08:17:35 PM 1746 Views
What do you think of Strategy RPGs? *NM* Roland00 - 20/01/2011 03:59:52 PM 918 Views
wat *NM* Ghavrel - 21/01/2011 04:13:07 AM 814 Views
Strat-RPG?? Are they doing a Jagged Alliance sequel?? ianski - 21/01/2011 02:06:05 PM 1608 Views
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