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Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM
But then, I did try to do nearly every quest on the way, and you're right, that's where the big XP points are, in BGII as well. The game really *should* feel a bit easy under those circumstances, otherwise it'd be nearly impossible to finish while ignoring most of the side quests, as some players prefer to do. Which if I understand you right is exactly the problem you had with the original BG, that you aren't really given that choice.


Nah, I don't mind the subquests. It's generally interesting, and you're probably expected to skip out on a few. The Baldur's Gate series is actually one of my favourite games of all time, and I'm not sure how it would feel playing it after Shadows of Amn, otherwise I would certainly incite you to play it. Sarevok also has one of the most awesome schemes I have ever witnessed. It's really just this one gripe I have with the game. I'll try to explain it to you since you haven't played. The original Baldur's Gate had the entire Sword Coast region from Baldur's Gate to the borders of Amn mapped with areas, representing towns, dungeons, areas of interest and of course the wilderness. I like this in concept, since obviously most of the world is inhabited. The problem is that nearly all of these areas had self contained quests, which meant you actually had to go out and look for them, with usually no in game reasons to do so.

This is not always the case, mind you. Sometimes travelling through town you'd hear about various threats or quests that need you to go out into the wilderness to complete them. For those who have played, I'm thinking of, for example, Bassilus the mad Cleric of Cyric, Commander Brage of Nashkell, and so forth. There are also rumours of hidden treasures in some areas, like under the Lighthouse south of Candlekeep, which while not actual quests, if you listen to the rumours in town you can learn about. These are fine, you don't know exactly where you need to go, but you're given a general idea and search around in the wilderness until you find them to complete your quest.

My problem is the other quests, the ones you have no reason to be out there looking but that you can stumble across if you're searching that area of wilderness. Because you know of these quests, you'll want to explore every area of the game fully. And here's where the grinding comes in. All areas (including cities) are completely unexplored and covered in that black 'fog of war' like shroud. Every area is the same size, a large rectangular section of the map that is mostly empty, except for the occasional roving monsters. Most areas might contain 4 areas of interest at best, but to find them you start off from whatever edge of the map you came in from, then start skirting the edge clockwise until you've circled the entire map back to your starting position. Then you start again, in a smaller rectangle skirting the area you've already explored. Until you've explored the entire area. You do this for every area of the game. There are fifty overland areas, more if you include the Tales of the Sword Coats expansion, including cities (which are also unexplored and remember that you can enter every single house in the game, and that some of them will include quests as well) but not dungeons.

That's why I said Baldur's Gate involved grinding.
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else... - 30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM 895 Views
I pretty much just hear... - 30/04/2011 07:57:10 AM 597 Views
you must gather your party before venturing forth - 30/04/2011 10:16:34 AM 568 Views
"Build more burrows." *NM* - 30/04/2011 11:28:59 PM 296 Views
To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd. - 01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM 542 Views
live by the sword live a good long time! - 01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM 659 Views
Xzar!!! - 01/05/2011 04:21:18 AM 561 Views
I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM* - 01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM 265 Views
...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one? - 02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM 553 Views
I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it." - 02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM 503 Views
i really recommend going back and playing BG1 then - 02/05/2011 04:19:21 PM 586 Views
Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss. - 02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM 646 Views
BG1>BG2>tob - 03/05/2011 09:37:31 AM 607 Views
You have more characters, but they don't participate as much. - 03/05/2011 11:36:28 PM 565 Views
I certainly agree that SoA > ToB. - 04/05/2011 09:45:15 PM 552 Views
to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay. - 03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM 594 Views
hi 5* *NM* - 03/05/2011 02:16:17 PM 370 Views
BG was AD&D 2.0 and BGII was 2.5, right? *NM* - 03/05/2011 02:23:06 PM 276 Views
I believe so. Regardless, it doesn't really change much. - 03/05/2011 04:19:46 PM 527 Views
Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though. - 03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM 787 Views
you don't grind - 04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM 632 Views
Depends on your perspective I guess. - 04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM 597 Views
patience is rewarded - 05/05/2011 09:54:15 AM 655 Views
Re: patience is rewarded - 05/05/2011 07:31:01 PM 503 Views
so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding. - 04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM 605 Views
No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn. - 04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM 637 Views
I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA. - 04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM 527 Views
Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. - 05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM 610 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. - 05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM 553 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. - 05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM 610 Views
Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1. - 05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM 553 Views
Apparently the archaeologist thing even happens twice, then... - 05/05/2011 08:45:59 PM 557 Views
I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages. - 04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM 663 Views
Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM 634 Views
ah, you found the game to be a grind? - 05/05/2011 09:08:27 AM 693 Views
Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying. *NM* - 03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM 384 Views
As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it. *NM* - 03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM 265 Views
Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department. - 03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM 597 Views
If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay... - 04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM 558 Views
Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both. - 04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM 548 Views

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