Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory
Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM
But then, I did try to do nearly every quest on the way, and you're right, that's where the big XP points are, in BGII as well. The game really *should* feel a bit easy under those circumstances, otherwise it'd be nearly impossible to finish while ignoring most of the side quests, as some players prefer to do. Which if I understand you right is exactly the problem you had with the original BG, that you aren't really given that choice.
Nah, I don't mind the subquests. It's generally interesting, and you're probably expected to skip out on a few. The Baldur's Gate series is actually one of my favourite games of all time, and I'm not sure how it would feel playing it after Shadows of Amn, otherwise I would certainly incite you to play it. Sarevok also has one of the most awesome schemes I have ever witnessed. It's really just this one gripe I have with the game. I'll try to explain it to you since you haven't played. The original Baldur's Gate had the entire Sword Coast region from Baldur's Gate to the borders of Amn mapped with areas, representing towns, dungeons, areas of interest and of course the wilderness. I like this in concept, since obviously most of the world is inhabited. The problem is that nearly all of these areas had self contained quests, which meant you actually had to go out and look for them, with usually no in game reasons to do so.
This is not always the case, mind you. Sometimes travelling through town you'd hear about various threats or quests that need you to go out into the wilderness to complete them. For those who have played, I'm thinking of, for example, Bassilus the mad Cleric of Cyric, Commander Brage of Nashkell, and so forth. There are also rumours of hidden treasures in some areas, like under the Lighthouse south of Candlekeep, which while not actual quests, if you listen to the rumours in town you can learn about. These are fine, you don't know exactly where you need to go, but you're given a general idea and search around in the wilderness until you find them to complete your quest.
My problem is the other quests, the ones you have no reason to be out there looking but that you can stumble across if you're searching that area of wilderness. Because you know of these quests, you'll want to explore every area of the game fully. And here's where the grinding comes in. All areas (including cities) are completely unexplored and covered in that black 'fog of war' like shroud. Every area is the same size, a large rectangular section of the map that is mostly empty, except for the occasional roving monsters. Most areas might contain 4 areas of interest at best, but to find them you start off from whatever edge of the map you came in from, then start skirting the edge clockwise until you've circled the entire map back to your starting position. Then you start again, in a smaller rectangle skirting the area you've already explored. Until you've explored the entire area. You do this for every area of the game. There are fifty overland areas, more if you include the Tales of the Sword Coats expansion, including cities (which are also unexplored and remember that you can enter every single house in the game, and that some of them will include quests as well) but not dungeons.
That's why I said Baldur's Gate involved grinding.
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So I gotta know if this is happening to anyone else...
30/04/2011 01:22:24 AM
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you must gather your party before venturing forth
30/04/2011 10:16:34 AM
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oh god....I hope that narrator makes lots of money. He DESERVES it
30/04/2011 10:01:01 PM
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This behaviour must not continue. Feel the burning stare of my HAMSTER and change your ways!
30/04/2011 11:43:38 PM
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the best. Particularly since follow-ups having come CLOSE :rollups:
01/05/2011 12:25:01 AM
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To me, yes, but then I'm currently playing it, so not as odd.
01/05/2011 12:25:17 AM
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live by the sword live a good long time!
01/05/2011 01:30:21 AM
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I've never played the first one - sounds like there are some good lines there too. *NM*
01/05/2011 09:44:48 PM
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...how could you play the follow-ups without playing the first one?
02/05/2011 01:18:12 AM
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I never played BG1 and still REALLY enjoyed BG2. The story seemed a clean enough break to "get it."
02/05/2011 01:14:23 PM
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Yeah, exactly... I don't really feel the loss.
02/05/2011 10:50:04 PM
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to put it simply, you're wrong about the gameplay.
03/05/2011 01:42:10 PM
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It might clarify things a bit if I say I've never played tabletop RPGs.
03/05/2011 10:21:34 PM
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Baldur's Gate requires level grinding though.
03/05/2011 11:47:30 PM
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you don't grind
04/05/2011 08:36:12 AM
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Depends on your perspective I guess.
04/05/2011 06:49:52 PM
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so does every game, honestly. LIFE is level grinding.
04/05/2011 10:15:26 AM
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That's not true, and you know it's not true - you've talked about playing games that don't have it
04/05/2011 01:18:51 PM
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No. Specifically, I was commenting on Baldur's Gate compared to Shadows of Amn.
04/05/2011 07:04:55 PM
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I wasn't aware you were specifically comaring BG to SoA.
04/05/2011 07:43:32 PM
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Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
05/05/2011 12:45:55 AM
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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
05/05/2011 01:16:04 AM
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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
05/05/2011 02:41:11 AM
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Re: Ah, sorry then. Yes, it was in reply to the improvements of BG2 to BG1.
05/05/2011 03:16:08 AM
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I do have the impression that SoA (and certainly ToB) swings a bit the other way regarding mages.
04/05/2011 09:40:12 PM
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Yes. It's not the fault of the games though, they're using D&D rules, so it comes with the territory
05/05/2011 12:25:21 AM
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Diablo 1 is vastly superior to Diablo 2. Just saying.
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03/05/2011 02:22:44 PM
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As I said I haven't played the former, but I really rather doubt it.
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03/05/2011 10:22:07 PM
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Diablo 1 wins in the story and atmosphere department.
03/05/2011 10:37:30 PM
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If you thought they both had a terrible gameplay...
04/05/2011 09:41:46 PM
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Because they're addicting and I'm exaggerating. I have completed both.
04/05/2011 10:04:40 PM
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