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Admittedly, my post was somewhat stream-of-consciousness. Kronin al'Sulc Send a noteboard - 28/02/2010 03:28:02 AM
If there are no consequences, then the role-playing decisions are aesthetic.

The Jack vs. Miranda thing is meant to be a part of that. How often does the real captain of a crew like this have perfect loyalty from all of them? Especially from such wildly varied personalities? Never, really. I think it is fantastic that Bioware set things up so that it is difficult to make it through the game with everyone surviving and loving you. Because that's more believable.

Your argument is strange to me. To my ears, you're complaining that you want more role-playing, and your reason for that is so that you can have an outcome that is almost the antithesis of role-playing: a perfect outcome, where regardless of your actions and role, you win and gain the perfect everything.

Which is not to say that I think Bioware executed some of this stuff as well as they should have - the Jack vs. Miranda scene in particular felt extremely forced and artificial to me - but at no point do I think they made a mistake in requiring you to have a high paragon or renegade score to gain a flawless outcome.


But my point is this: If I want to be able to be persuasive in late-game (which I do), then I can't think about which option I would most want to say in this situation, but which option will net me the most Renegade/Paragon/chosen path options. If there were a separate charisma stat or some such thing determining whether you could persuade people, or if it relied on the perfect line of dialogue, that would be fine. But the late-game decisions that require all my points stop me from doing whatever I want previous to that.
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Shadow answered him. *NM* Aemon - 16/02/2010 10:52:17 PM 942 Views
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Asari A Deathwatch Guard - 15/02/2010 06:51:10 AM 1842 Views
Not really. lord-of-shadow - 15/02/2010 10:41:54 PM 1789 Views
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The final verdict ironclad - 22/02/2010 08:06:12 PM 1811 Views
Re: The final verdict Zalis - 22/02/2010 09:01:53 PM 1818 Views
Explanation for death lord-of-shadow - 23/02/2010 02:00:16 AM 1809 Views
Can't be it, then ironclad - 23/02/2010 08:02:11 AM 1959 Views
He got taken by the bugs during the biotic bubble sequence? Kronin al'Sulc - 23/02/2010 03:25:36 AM 1795 Views
Re: He got taken by the bugs during the biotic bubble sequence? ironclad - 23/02/2010 08:03:46 AM 1867 Views
By the way, my game was surprisingly buggy ironclad - 23/02/2010 08:49:28 AM 1951 Views
Huh, I never got that. I only got one kind of bug. Aemon - 23/02/2010 04:06:17 PM 1739 Views
Re: Huh, I never got that. I only got one kind of bug. Zalis - 23/02/2010 04:29:46 PM 1703 Views
I had no bugs of any sort. *NM* Mats Gambling Buddy - 23/02/2010 05:15:32 PM 948 Views
A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 06:40:35 AM 1908 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad - 27/02/2010 12:28:29 PM 1749 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). Kronin al'Sulc - 27/02/2010 04:57:43 PM 1783 Views
Re: A complaint about the Morality system. (Or, how Mass Effect semi-killed roleplaying). ironclad - 28/02/2010 12:34:31 AM 1835 Views
I suppose. Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:29:23 AM 1831 Views
A vital part of role-playing is forcing the player to deal with the consequences of their actions lord-of-shadow - 27/02/2010 11:53:56 PM 2085 Views
Admittedly, my post was somewhat stream-of-consciousness. Kronin al'Sulc - 28/02/2010 03:28:02 AM 1803 Views
That's more understandable. lord-of-shadow - 28/02/2010 05:58:59 AM 1805 Views
Yeah, the tradeoff already works just fine. Aemon - 28/02/2010 06:05:44 AM 1811 Views
ok that's weird ironclad - 10/03/2010 06:52:39 PM 1799 Views
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