Thanks for the links - that's more convincing already.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 12/06/2017 06:58:54 PM
View original postAre you denying there is a private right of action under the Clean Air Act which could be used to force the US to abide by the Paris Agreement?
I believe I already said I accepted that as a valid argument.
View original postYes, that is ipso facto evidence it will cost the US more as there are not analogous provisions in other signatory powers.
It's ipso facto evidence it will cost the US more than a hypothetical other signatory power which has the exact same targets, or less ambitious ones, while lacking such enforcement mechanisms. Beyond that, you're out of 'ipso facto' territory and into 'how far do we estimate this other country will get' territory. You'd need to first see which other countries have more ambitious targets than the US, and then estimate to which extent they're likely to achieve their goals considering their greater leeway to fall short.
View original postAre you denying China doesn't have to cut emissions until 2030? While I don't have the original Mandarin-language statement handy since I haven't used my Chinese in over 10 years, there is agreement in the press on China's commitments. They pledged their carbon dioxide emissions would reach their maximum by around 2030.
I'm denying that 'doesn't have to cut emissions until 2030' means 'doesn't have to do jack until 2030' as you keep suggesting. As I was saying to RT, China is a country that's growing massively, largely through heavy industry. It's pretty obvious mathematics that if your emissions are currently growing at a rate like China's, the effort required to get them to actually reduce by a given percentage is massively larger than the same reduction would be for more developed nations where emissions are stable or already dropping. So that point of their emissions continuing to grow doesn't mean much without serious analysis of the numbers.
Now, your new links now do provide some of those numbers to argue that China's pledges were pretty unambitious even so, so that's a lot more convincing. And you're right that a fair comparison should take into account the efforts already made before the Paris Agreement as well.
I fo' sho' didn't vote for him, but...
01/06/2017 10:28:46 PM
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01/06/2017 10:29:54 PM
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Hard to say how big an impact this will have, either way.
01/06/2017 11:45:38 PM
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CO emissions in the US dropped 15% from 2000 to 2014.....
02/06/2017 01:59:16 AM
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I would imagine that has to do with the decline in the American industrial sector
02/06/2017 05:18:53 AM
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Obama's red line turned America into a laughing stock
02/06/2017 09:23:38 AM
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"big disappointment" and "laughing stock" are very different things. *NM*
02/06/2017 01:02:23 PM
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Depends on your point of view
02/06/2017 04:21:09 PM
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sorry got a line off and didn't re;laize you had changed subjects *NM*
02/06/2017 06:48:01 PM
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Who cares if Europe is pissed.
02/06/2017 02:52:39 PM
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That's a little silly. It's not just about several random Europeans.
02/06/2017 04:19:18 PM
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Blame Obama for that
02/06/2017 05:49:33 PM
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What is the difference between a Nation and a Country? *NM*
02/06/2017 05:55:51 PM
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I guess you believed them when they told you there was no such thing as a dumb question *NM*
02/06/2017 06:35:42 PM
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So you are a fucking idiot for you think that belief is all that matters
02/06/2017 07:15:27 PM
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Have you ever bothered to look for one?
02/06/2017 06:44:25 PM
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I don't think he reads any European sources. Sadly for him.
02/06/2017 07:04:36 PM
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Please enlighten me with an article where Europe is concerned over how it is viewed by the US
02/06/2017 07:16:50 PM
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Please feel free to link an article with France wringin its hands over how America views it
02/06/2017 07:04:59 PM
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Most Europeans have a positive image of the US. Back up your statements with facts please.
02/06/2017 07:15:23 PM
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Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to say Europeans are somehow superior.
02/06/2017 08:08:06 PM
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Who even mentioned Europe?
02/06/2017 05:41:37 PM
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non binding agreements that hurt our economy was not going to strengthen our posistion
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The agreements 'hurt' everybody's economy. That's the point.
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No it doesn't.
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You can say 'no it doesn't', but it would help if you then provided arguments.
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I provided evidence. You didn't. Surely you can see the hypocrisy in your answer. *NM*
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Sure, we both provided evidence, but not of the serious comparison with numbers variety.
08/06/2017 06:41:52 PM
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No, I provided evidence.
09/06/2017 03:55:23 AM
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'You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.'
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How fucking dense are you?
10/06/2017 06:00:07 PM
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Thanks for the links - that's more convincing already.
12/06/2017 06:58:54 PM
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It would be ridiculous to expect the US and the west to self impose an energy tax that isn't shared
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You read my previous post, right? If not, please do.
08/06/2017 07:32:37 PM
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It is not reaonable to expect us to help fuel the growth in China
08/06/2017 07:52:12 PM
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WSJ had the best article about why it was stupid to stay in Paris
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KABOOM - Trump drops the hammer on the EU Globalization Dreams
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Of course. I thought everybody knew that.
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I sense a disappointed liberal from the EU!
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You mean it wasn't the Illuminati? Maybe it was Black Lives Matters?
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By EU standards Legolas is almost rational *NM*
02/06/2017 07:10:21 PM
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Paul's right. We're not trusted to lead any longer, so we might as well do what we want. *NM*
02/06/2017 09:39:58 AM
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I say we should not take ANY action on global environmental stuff until China & India make it up
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In honor of Wonder Woman let's instead talk about Steve...I mean Chris...
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Interestingly, the Dow ended the day yesterday up 135 and is up another 70 so far today *NM*
02/06/2017 07:07:01 PM
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There's no downside to a longer bikini season.
02/06/2017 08:20:49 PM
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Think of it like this
02/06/2017 09:20:51 PM
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Yeah, that was the gist of my "fuzzy pledge" comment. I did find the numbers for the reduction...
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It is the same style of congress style of fuzzy math that the US congress uses
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Your title does lead one to an interesting thought.
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Because it is not the integral, the derivative, or the acceleration that kills you, it is the jerk
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I discussed that question with someone here a while back, I think.
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"The two things you need to know about the Paris [climate] agreement are...."
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Unfortunately, the paywall prevents me from reading the WSJ article.
04/06/2017 01:33:22 AM
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PragerU is more intellectually rigorous than any women's studies department at "real" universities.
08/06/2017 05:30:30 AM
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Is this the same Dennis Prager? (rhetorical question)
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Dennis Prager has more integrity than women's studies departments and their fake rape culture.
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I laughed at an amateurish video. You insulted PragerU by bringing in women's studies. *NM*
08/06/2017 08:43:38 AM
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And this is why I consume so much less news these days
08/06/2017 02:41:22 PM
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Question about Global Warming and CO2
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Do you have any idea how we "measure" acidity level from millions of years ago?
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Sigh we do not need to measure millions of years ago
08/06/2017 09:20:08 PM
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Do you read what i say or just regurgitate random arguments you read elsewhere?
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So to answer your question simply, yeah I do have an idea of how they measure acidity
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So to answer your question simply, yeah I do have an idea of how they measure acidity
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