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I dare say a lot of the rhetoric is seriously over the top... Legolas Send a noteboard - 26/07/2017 06:13:59 PM

But I think this pretty much sums it up:


Arizona senator John McCain, who chairs the Senate armed services committee, said: “The president’s tweet this morning is yet another example of why major policy announcements should not be made via Twitter.”

He added: “Any American who meets current medical and readiness standards should be allowed to continue serving. There is no reason to force service members who are able to fight, train, and deploy to leave the military – regardless of their gender identity.”




View original postI'm having a difficult time grasping the level of outrage from the Washington Post and various and sundry other leftist sources over the announcement released this morning. My impression is that it is targeted at new recruits enlisting in the Armed Forces. The overwhelming majority of new enlistees are in the 18-21 year old age bracket. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I suspect very few 18 or 19 year old transgender folks have already completed their transition. Is it somehow reactionary and bigoted to suggest that the focus of such a person would not be on their basic training and subsequent readiness to go into combat, if needed? That their desire to resolve the paramount issue in their lives might transcend their military obligations? That just maybe some, not all, are motivated to enlist by the possibility of Uncle Sam covering the tab? Before anyone says, so what, one doesn't enlist in the military to get free medical coverage for a pre-existing condition that could possibly prevent said person from combat readiness until resolved. Rather, such conditions usually result in failing to qualify.

I haven't done more than two minutes of research, but Trump's literal statement does say “After consultation with my generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States government will not accept or allow transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the US military.” That doesn't sound like leaving the people already in the military alone. Though true that the numbers are negligible and it would be a stretch to claim that their dismissal would have a serious impact on a national level.
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Thoughts on the internet outrage over Trump's transgenders in the military announcement - 26/07/2017 05:42:34 PM 1045 Views
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bottom line - 26/07/2017 06:40:36 PM 643 Views
*shrug* - 26/07/2017 07:05:17 PM 624 Views
I dare say a lot of the rhetoric is seriously over the top... - 26/07/2017 06:13:59 PM 660 Views
like I replied to Jeo, I don't see this as a betrayal of the LGBT cause - 26/07/2017 06:19:01 PM 658 Views
LGB is not the same as T. We need to stop treating it all the same. - 26/07/2017 06:58:05 PM 658 Views
No the least of which... - 26/07/2017 07:06:21 PM 696 Views
Physical mutilation is a more appropriate word. - 26/07/2017 07:07:33 PM 628 Views
You're correct.... - 26/07/2017 09:28:20 PM 599 Views
Not always, keep that in mind. - 26/07/2017 07:35:34 PM 634 Views
I would still consider that.... - 26/07/2017 09:02:36 PM 660 Views
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It makes eminent sense why trannies shouldn't be allowed. - 26/07/2017 06:57:00 PM 658 Views
I tried to keep my points to the logic of excluding an 18 yr old trans person - 26/07/2017 07:16:37 PM 690 Views
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So I was reading.... - 26/07/2017 09:07:11 PM 644 Views
This is part of my point - 26/07/2017 09:47:39 PM 645 Views
The rate goes down significantly after transition. - 26/07/2017 11:24:50 PM 628 Views
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Well, to the extent that it covers people with dysphoria, sure. - 27/07/2017 02:26:26 PM 606 Views
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