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Great column, despite my quibble above. Legolas Send a noteboard - 23/08/2017 07:03:31 PM

View original post An interesting analysis of a where a huge segment of the US population probably fits in. I prefer the word Centrist to Moderate though. Centrist like Macron in France. And it makes me wish that instead of our main two parties here in the US we had more than those two. Yes, the Greens and the Libertarians exist but it's hard for a new party to break the lock in the US. The last party that successfully broke the two party lock at the national level was the Republican Party. Back in 1860.

I'd say the jury is out on Macron... it doesn't look too promising so far. It's a situation that I would call almost unprecedented in modern western history, to hand a political neophyte all the levers of power so easily, and which was always going to create unrealistically utopic expectations... so I'm prepared to cut him a good bit of slack, but ultimately he does need to show results.

Anyway, yes, the polarization of US politics only seems to get worse and worse and worse - the political system all but guarantees a two-party system so that isn't going to change unless the US passes the most radical constitutional reform of its entire history (excepting possibly the one about slavery), but it wasn't always this bad in terms of mutual loathing. Every time you think this is as bad as it can get, it gets worse. I find it quite scary.

View original post I think the part that struck me the most in this opinion piece was that "the truth is plural". It's something I have believed in for a very long time - that Truth is based on a set of values that we pick and choose, determined by our current surroundings, where we were brought up, what books we happened to have come across, and what websites we interact with. I am definitely a different person for having interacted with the community at wotmania in addition to friends in NYC. It's helped me see other points of view and helped me value those points of view. Ultimately I find that many Truths are subjective rather than objective because those values that feed into a Truth are not necessarily going to be the values that someone else emphasizes.

Agreed.

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What Moderates Believe The Shrike - 23/08/2017 01:14:34 PM 1180 Views
You can see Brooks' conservative roots in his analysis of governments damookster - 23/08/2017 02:58:58 PM 561 Views
I call myself a radical moderate random thoughts - 23/08/2017 03:53:18 PM 602 Views
Brooks is the person I usually agree with the most at the NYT. The Shrike - 23/08/2017 04:33:11 PM 486 Views
It isn't a universal truth, though - it may be valid in liberal democracies, but not everywhere. Legolas - 23/08/2017 06:56:29 PM 539 Views
I view governments like referees in sports damookster - 23/08/2017 07:06:47 PM 571 Views
Yeah. That's a better way of putting it. *NM* Legolas - 23/08/2017 08:09:11 PM 292 Views
Truth may be objective but reality isn't random thoughts - 23/08/2017 03:59:18 PM 478 Views
Polarization of both the Left and the Right The Shrike - 23/08/2017 04:35:24 PM 529 Views
If only we had a centrist media source random thoughts - 23/08/2017 05:15:13 PM 464 Views
No incentive in that aerocontrols - 23/08/2017 05:22:49 PM 752 Views
Great column, despite my quibble above. Legolas - 23/08/2017 07:03:31 PM 492 Views
I'm still hopeful about Macron. The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:25:31 PM 635 Views
The problem with getting a new party to break the two party lock Hieshyn - 23/08/2017 09:18:37 PM 695 Views
And Cash Money Aviendha - 24/08/2017 06:23:34 PM 507 Views
Both parties are more fractured than they have been in a very long time random thoughts - 24/08/2017 07:37:14 PM 533 Views
I was of the opinion that after Rand Paul was out of the primaries, Hieshyn - 24/08/2017 11:17:49 PM 522 Views
Sorry but no one one who wants to end social security has a chance too win random thoughts - 25/08/2017 02:19:12 AM 506 Views
Universal Basic Income may be the issue. The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:26:08 PM 476 Views
This is an excellent point. nossy - 25/08/2017 08:12:36 PM 555 Views
I think perhaps The Shrike - 25/08/2017 10:22:14 PM 535 Views
Moderates need a better narrative Tom - 24/08/2017 05:19:14 AM 459 Views
Rejecting the extremes aerocontrols - 24/08/2017 02:48:12 PM 491 Views
Does it matter why they're lukewarm? They're still going to get spewed out. Cannoli - 24/08/2017 01:08:30 PM 722 Views
Moderates are from Laodicea? damookster - 24/08/2017 01:37:44 PM 495 Views
Moderates are the Cheese Pizza of politics... Jeordam - 24/08/2017 05:17:55 PM 512 Views
That is a cure analogy but not really accurate random thoughts - 24/08/2017 05:38:54 PM 534 Views
You know what though? Aviendha - 24/08/2017 06:18:48 PM 543 Views
*laughs* Jeordam - 24/08/2017 07:03:58 PM 431 Views
Aviendha - 24/08/2017 07:13:53 PM 487 Views
That's one heck of an oven.... Jeordam - 24/08/2017 08:54:43 PM 476 Views
lets here it for libertarian pizza *NM* random thoughts - 24/08/2017 07:25:18 PM 323 Views
I won't eat cheese pizza. *NM* Tom - 24/08/2017 07:43:03 PM 302 Views
Cheese (Actually extra cheese pizza is my favorite) The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:29:41 PM 642 Views
I enjoyed this nossy - 24/08/2017 08:19:50 PM 606 Views
Kind of a "here is why we are screwed" *NM* random thoughts - 24/08/2017 08:51:00 PM 400 Views
Because from what you've written and said The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:28:46 PM 580 Views
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Ghavrel - 24/08/2017 10:53:44 PM 455 Views
Yes. You would. damookster - 25/08/2017 01:06:47 AM 612 Views
I long ago came to the conclusion that I'm generally conservative in my tastes. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 01:28:08 AM 472 Views
We'll make a conservative of you yet. Tom - 25/08/2017 02:36:01 PM 515 Views
I'd be an anarchosyndicalist, except that I have a basic working knowledge of history. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:47:35 PM 500 Views
I am unsurprised at your disagreement. The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:42:32 PM 562 Views
Re: I am unsurprised at your disagreement. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 11:01:56 PM 583 Views
Well now, this will get into the meaning of truth. The Shrike - 26/08/2017 01:04:14 AM 410 Views
Re: Well now, this will get into the meaning of truth. Ghavrel - 26/08/2017 01:16:56 AM 628 Views
I hope you don't mind me butting in on your conversation damookster - 26/08/2017 01:46:45 AM 496 Views
Guilty as charged. The Shrike - 26/08/2017 08:27:45 PM 521 Views
I'm a moderate/centrist insofar as the fact that I'm neither an overall leftist or rightist. LiterateDog - 25/08/2017 03:24:12 PM 449 Views
You know that communists are technically anti-statists, right? Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 03:57:37 PM 567 Views
Somehow I think Joe knows what purported Marxists say, and also what they do. *NM* aerocontrols - 25/08/2017 04:44:59 PM 335 Views
The academy is probably more anarchic left these days, really. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 11:09:19 PM 693 Views
Communism is an economic system. The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:55:26 PM 528 Views
It's more than that if you adopt an orthodox Marxist view. Ghavrel - 25/08/2017 11:07:03 PM 456 Views
Your argument sounded like this: Tom - 27/08/2017 03:20:43 PM 743 Views
Well, yes. Though I think you're conflating "communism" with "Marxism" here. Ghavrel - 27/08/2017 06:14:54 PM 781 Views
You believe in personal rights/freedoms. The Shrike - 25/08/2017 06:49:30 PM 522 Views
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