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Uh. You say no, but what follows makes it sound like yes? Legolas Send a noteboard - 27/09/2017 11:42:11 PM

View original postNo, I'm saying that the original 'socialism' is comparable to the original 'fascism' such that people ought to be ashamed enough of the connection to avoid using the name, and people like Tom should continue to point out the connection.

View original postI mean, what you're essentially arguing is that this moderated version of more democratic socialism that has less government control than Stalin or Mao, is not authoritarian (or as authoritarian, anyway) and fewer-to-no pogroms is an 'ok' form of socialism, right? Is that how you feel about fascism? A little moderation in the right areas and fascist governments are ok?

As if this wasn't complicated enough, now you're trying to claim that 'the original socialism' is something involving pogroms? At least Tom's definition is the actual original definition.

Frankly, your comparison doesn't make a lot of sense even if you do completely ignore the word 'communism' and make a point of referring to all communist, Maoist, Marxist regimes exclusively by the word 'socialist' so as to taint the word as much as you possibly can. Even then, you still can't ignore that before, during and after those horrible regimes, the word also described and describes peaceful and democratic parties in many, many countries around the world.

Whereas for fascism, well, there's not a whole lot to associate it with other than Italy and then the other Axis powers. There might have been, if history had gone differently - Oswald Mosley's fascist party in 1930s Britain had abhorrent elements like anti-semitism, but wasn't necessarily anti-democratic. But WW2 pretty much tainted the name for good, before it had much of a chance to develop. Except I guess in Italy, where the associations were more complicated and where Mussolini's granddaughter has a seat in the European Parliament, not a bit ashamed of her last name.

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