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But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM

Strike while your political opponents are distracted trying to express concern and then paint them as heartless monsters! Isn't that what we've become? And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all...

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1665 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 423 Views
Indeed. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 612 Views
yes. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 651 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. LiterateDog - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 617 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting damookster - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 630 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? Tom - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 583 Views
Same here. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 675 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 634 Views
Yes.You.Could. damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 647 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 637 Views
Really? damookster - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 633 Views
How much time is "enough time" exactly? Just until the next one so the clock can reset? *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:01:51 PM 381 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 440 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 425 Views
It failed. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 398 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 413 Views
doubtful. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 546 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 599 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 681 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 584 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 391 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 401 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 621 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 646 Views
oh fuck off damookster - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 625 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 594 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. damookster - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 613 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 580 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 608 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 631 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... damookster - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 619 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 385 Views
It should be noted.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 599 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 409 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 627 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 605 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 595 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 619 Views
Again.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 624 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? nossy - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 624 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? damookster - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 567 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 685 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 405 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 425 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* nossy - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 384 Views
I will always agree with that, nossy - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 626 Views
That was my point. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 719 Views
Eh, well nossy - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 601 Views
how about something a little more tangible than "your country has a problem?" *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 427 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 384 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this nossy - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 540 Views
See Roland00's reply. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 545 Views
Again nossy - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 551 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 567 Views
The "other side" is trying to use the emotions of the moment to pass things they couldn't otherwise random thoughts - 03/10/2017 11:57:38 AM 580 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 Roland00 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 626 Views
I have no problem with discussion. damookster - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 608 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! Tom - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 595 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 563 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 430 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 597 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? Jeordam - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 580 Views
Exactly. *NM* damookster - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 355 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 676 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. Tom - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 616 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 609 Views
An honest Question Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 564 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 405 Views
And now you just lost... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 607 Views
Oh the fight is already won TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 604 Views
I would disagree.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 601 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 694 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? damookster - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 652 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 613 Views
Yes I actually knew that damookster - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 667 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that Ghavrel - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 625 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite Roland00 - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 648 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* Tom - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 373 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* damookster - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 377 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect Roland00 - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 745 Views
It was, before they first started putting limitations on it TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:35:27 AM 687 Views
What court cases do you think are examples of the trend constricting the 2nd Amendment? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/10/2017 05:48:41 AM 365 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 633 Views
And just to say it.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 608 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 655 Views
some of these would never fly here damookster - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 541 Views
So let's work through these... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 631 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 367 Views
Re: So let's work through these... TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 579 Views
Ok...let's talk Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 574 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 703 Views
Dialogue....good. Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 579 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? Legolas - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 634 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 680 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* Jeordam - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 404 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. Cannoli - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 689 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* TheCrownless - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 378 Views
But after they get out.... Jeordam - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 610 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. Legolas - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 741 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 572 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* Roland00 - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 420 Views
I was going to make a post to this effect, but you preempted me. I agree 100%. Ghavrel - 02/10/2017 11:15:21 PM 643 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! Nargs - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 608 Views
Oh please TheCrownless - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 591 Views
it is like the time buses were exploding in Israel, except it is Americans who are doing it AgentApple - 03/10/2017 06:19:56 PM 699 Views
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