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So let's work through these... Jeordam Send a noteboard - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM

View original post- Universal background checks for guns and ammo

So this background check is for what? Felonies? Mental health records? I suppose there's a fee associated with this? And the amount of time. And is this all guns or just certain guns. And for the ammo, is this for all types of ammo, finished rounds, or does it include the raw material components as well?

And then just to say this, do you think that we should have background checks for Freedom of Religion issues? How about Freedom of Speech stuff? Those rights are as articulated as the right to have a gun.


View original post- Violent felons ban

Ok, so define "violent". Does someone have to get hurt, or can they just have a weapon while in commission of the crime? What if someone is the accomplice, but they don't have a weapon? Does it have to be an actual weapon, or something that could be a weapon (a picked up rock, for instance).

And then to bring it up again, once a felon has served their time, they still retain their freedom of religion/speech/etc....


View original post- Requirements for reporting stolen and lost guns

Ok...so this would do what exactly? How would this be anything but unnecessary paperwork?
View original post- National gun registries

As alluded to before, should we also register everyone who wants to exercise their free speech, religion, and press? What's involved in this registry? I fill out more paperwork, pay a fee (?) and then I get my Constitutional rights? And then what does this registry actually serve? It would essentially be a very big list of a pretty big section of America. What if you weren't on that list? Is that a crime? That I didn't register for my Constitutional right?
View original post- Require licenses

So we've kinda covered this one before....or something akin to it. Keep in mind that I live in California, which is pretty hard core about gun laws...not that they make a huge difference.
View original post- Remove the blocks on the CDC that resulted from NRA lobbying preventing data collection and publishing.

Now this one I'll certainly jump on board with. At my heart, I'm a scientist. Collecting data is second nature.
View original postThe reason nothing has been done isn't because there are no potential solutions. The solutions are there and have been implemented abroad and in individual states, but on a federal level lobbying has crippled any attempt to make things better.

As mentioned, I live in California...gun laws are pretty hardcore here. But everything that you mentioned here woudln't really do anything to stop what just happened in Las Vegas...or what took place at that Elementary School.
View original postPeople should be getting angry, right now, because people are being killed for no reason. And nothing in this post is anything you or anybody else doesn't already know.

Dude....you should be very careful how you characterize what other people are feeling. Am I angry? Yes. Do I articulate it the same way? No. But anger isn't my overriding emotion right now. I feel sad. I think about the fact that a bunch of people went out to a music festival to have a great night out....and many aren't coming home to family/loved ones. I think about all those people that went to the nightclub in Florida, and the same thing. Or the parents of those kids dropped off at school...and they don't get to hold their children again.

That is the emotion that I'm feeling. And then I read different things around the internet, and I see that some CBS lawyer isn't sympathetic, because it was a country music festival, so a bunch of Republicans probably just died. Or I then I read before that it was a gay club...so they didn't feel as sympathetic....

That's what makes it even sadder...and on a personal level, that's what makes me even angrier. These are friends, family, neighbors...and if they weren't even that, they are human beings with dreams and aspirations like everyone else, and they died in a state of fear. Instead of raging and screaming, we need to be caring and sympathetic....we need to create and build.

It's not the tool that caused this, it was the man. The tool helped the massacre enlarge, but it was the man who caused it to be done in the first place. Fix that, and you have an actual solution.

~Jeordam

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The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! - 02/10/2017 06:07:38 PM 1984 Views
Perhaps we could also wait for the bodies to get cold before politicizing a tragedy? *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:11:18 PM 568 Views
Indeed. - 02/10/2017 07:32:41 PM 905 Views
yes. - 02/10/2017 07:41:15 PM 916 Views
Well, to be fair, dude ain't got no crown. - 02/10/2017 07:43:31 PM 910 Views
I suppose lack of a crown could be disconcerting - 02/10/2017 07:47:46 PM 947 Views
Does that mean uncircumcised? - 02/10/2017 09:16:23 PM 869 Views
Same here. - 02/10/2017 09:15:29 PM 956 Views
No. It's a willful failure of policy, just like the last thousands times. We fucking can't. - 02/10/2017 07:47:16 PM 919 Views
Yes.You.Could. - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 929 Views
Because not politicizing the first thousand worked so well... - 02/10/2017 07:52:09 PM 944 Views
Really? - 02/10/2017 07:55:22 PM 913 Views
double post for emphasis. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:49:17 PM 568 Views
Oh and "also"? That comment was preemptively aimed at the very sentiment you were expressing. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:54:12 PM 561 Views
It failed. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:56:19 PM 526 Views
Then you misunderstood it's purpose. *NM* - 02/10/2017 07:58:15 PM 547 Views
doubtful. - 02/10/2017 08:00:38 PM 799 Views
The dick move is the continual inaction and call for silence. - 02/10/2017 08:05:24 PM 897 Views
One or two days would defeat your purpose? - 02/10/2017 08:15:49 PM 964 Views
And what if someone goes out an shoots another 50+ people tomorrow? - 02/10/2017 08:18:31 PM 879 Views
Your post on a website with 100 active users would prevent that? *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:22:25 PM 540 Views
Just another argument aimed at silencing discussion *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:27:27 PM 533 Views
If you want discussion how about making specific points or suggestions? - 02/10/2017 08:31:09 PM 889 Views
Stop attempting to prevent discourse because it offends your sensibilities. - 02/10/2017 08:39:47 PM 901 Views
oh fuck off - 02/10/2017 08:45:05 PM 917 Views
Oh please, the problem isn't a lack of ideas. - 02/10/2017 09:04:18 PM 877 Views
You do realize that the guns used in Las Vegas may have already been illegal. - 02/10/2017 09:14:47 PM 899 Views
Or it may have been modified with a completely legal $95 stock - 02/10/2017 09:30:44 PM 852 Views
Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... - 02/10/2017 09:42:20 PM 907 Views
Re: Multiple firearm experts here have stated that audio analysis makes it unlikely... - 02/10/2017 09:53:23 PM 921 Views
People who go to the bother of obtaining illegal weapons in order to kill people... - 02/10/2017 09:59:52 PM 883 Views
That is why you limit access to them. *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:21:32 PM 512 Views
It should be noted.... - 02/10/2017 10:13:19 PM 880 Views
All the more reason for federal regulation on the matter *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:20:49 PM 538 Views
The federal law wouldn't do much more.... - 02/10/2017 10:33:46 PM 909 Views
And because a law only makes a problem slightly better - 02/10/2017 10:40:00 PM 881 Views
And that would be the difference between you and me.... - 02/10/2017 10:45:13 PM 905 Views
You sail in the ocean blind long enough and eventually you hit an iceberg. - 02/10/2017 10:51:24 PM 919 Views
Again.... - 02/10/2017 11:07:20 PM 920 Views
If there's an average of 1 per day, when are we not mourning? - 02/10/2017 08:03:46 PM 926 Views
How about when we have better and more complete information, for one? - 02/10/2017 08:11:18 PM 834 Views
A 64 year old man walked into a hotel with 10 guns - 02/10/2017 08:17:24 PM 950 Views
Which hypothesis? *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:20:51 PM 540 Views
The United States has an unaddressed problem with firearm violence. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:23:28 PM 562 Views
I agree with that premise. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:26:58 PM 519 Views
I will always agree with that, - 02/10/2017 08:19:58 PM 929 Views
That was my point. - 02/10/2017 08:24:56 PM 1016 Views
Eh, well - 02/10/2017 08:31:43 PM 879 Views
jeez, twice in one thread. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:33:13 PM 527 Views
Weirdly, I also agree with this - 02/10/2017 08:42:26 PM 814 Views
See Roland00's reply. - 02/10/2017 08:47:57 PM 807 Views
Again - 02/10/2017 08:59:44 PM 835 Views
Nobody said "your country is stupid" - 02/10/2017 09:06:54 PM 847 Views
Lets postpone the discussion to 10/10 - 02/10/2017 08:36:57 PM 941 Views
I have no problem with discussion. - 02/10/2017 08:40:43 PM 871 Views
But, but, you lose a news cycle that way! - 02/10/2017 09:14:19 PM 875 Views
"And we wonder why we have shootings like this at all..." - 02/10/2017 09:40:40 PM 849 Views
Wow step away from the spicy nachos Tom *NM* - 02/10/2017 09:51:00 PM 597 Views
Make that 274, 3 people dead and 2 wounded in Lawrence. - 02/10/2017 08:22:21 PM 870 Views
So what you would you say the solution would be? - 02/10/2017 08:50:54 PM 895 Views
Exactly. *NM* - 02/10/2017 08:52:53 PM 481 Views
Any number of the dozens of pieces of legislation that is proposed *every time* this happens - 02/10/2017 09:11:26 PM 984 Views
And yet, almost every time shootings happen, none of those measures would have done anything. - 02/10/2017 09:22:51 PM 897 Views
Speculation and ignored macro-effects - 02/10/2017 09:39:30 PM 870 Views
An honest Question - 02/10/2017 10:06:16 PM 830 Views
The second amendment is part of the problem. *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:30:21 PM 564 Views
And now you just lost... - 02/10/2017 10:39:21 PM 893 Views
Oh the fight is already won - 02/10/2017 10:50:00 PM 900 Views
I would disagree.... - 02/10/2017 11:09:36 PM 890 Views
I don't think you're very educated as to Second Amendment jurisprudence. - 03/10/2017 12:13:27 AM 990 Views
Why let silly things like facts get in the way of a good polemic? - 03/10/2017 01:24:24 AM 919 Views
And it's difficult to overstate how much they advanced its reach. - 03/10/2017 04:31:58 AM 921 Views
Yes I actually knew that - 03/10/2017 04:37:40 AM 953 Views
Re: Yes I actually knew that - 03/10/2017 09:18:08 AM 907 Views
Question for you Ghav but also for any other RAFOite - 03/10/2017 06:51:47 AM 943 Views
It's likely the Ferguson Effect. *NM* - 03/10/2017 09:47:42 PM 514 Views
with a corresponding rise in gang activity and violence *NM* - 03/10/2017 10:07:18 PM 542 Views
This too needs to be studied the Ferguson Effect - 03/10/2017 10:43:02 PM 1053 Views
some of these would never fly here - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 905 Views
And just to say it.... - 02/10/2017 10:18:06 PM 905 Views
Re: some of these would never fly here - 02/10/2017 10:37:24 PM 948 Views
some of these would never fly here - 02/10/2017 10:14:57 PM 817 Views
So let's work through these... - 02/10/2017 10:02:09 PM 1126 Views
Post to my own post.....wow *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:02:19 PM 504 Views
Re: So let's work through these... - 02/10/2017 10:20:08 PM 1002 Views
Ok...let's talk - 02/10/2017 10:32:58 PM 913 Views
Re: Ok...let's talk - 02/10/2017 11:02:44 PM 1269 Views
Dialogue....good. - 02/10/2017 11:17:46 PM 917 Views
Just what kind of reaction did you expect to get with a post like this? - 02/10/2017 10:10:34 PM 928 Views
For people to think about the problem rather than token sympathies. - 02/10/2017 10:28:59 PM 958 Views
And the proof for that is....? *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:41:29 PM 540 Views
Killing people is the whole point of guns. The real issue is who gets killed. - 02/10/2017 10:55:59 PM 978 Views
No use putting someone in prison if you don't lock the door after them *NM* - 02/10/2017 11:04:12 PM 514 Views
But after they get out.... - 02/10/2017 11:39:39 PM 864 Views
I don't think you're going about it in a very smart way, then. - 03/10/2017 12:23:33 AM 1033 Views
It's never the right occasion to start talking about it. - 04/10/2017 05:39:15 AM 848 Views
But he was offering Candy, how can you say no to Candy? *NM* - 02/10/2017 10:31:24 PM 587 Views
Re: The US is now 273/275 for mass shootings this year! - 03/10/2017 12:58:31 AM 902 Views
Oh please - 04/10/2017 05:36:12 AM 861 Views

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