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Oooh, theodicy. Legolas Send a noteboard - 09/12/2017 03:28:21 AM

View original postFrancis clearly now seeks to alter perhaps the most fundamental words of Christ. He should be pronounced a heretic and demand must be made that he repent immediately. If he fails to repent, he should be taken into St. Peter's Square and burned with no hope of salvation in this life or the next.

I don't have anything particularly insightful to add, but yeah, the text seems clear enough. And doesn't actually say that God does lead people into temptation - merely asks him not to.

Also, thanks ever so much for getting the song stuck into my head.

Into Temptation
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Pope Francis must be declared a heretic and burned. Tom - 09/12/2017 03:14:16 AM 1811 Views
Oooh, theodicy. Legolas - 09/12/2017 03:28:21 AM 935 Views
Well, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" a couple of times. *NM* Ghavrel - 10/12/2017 09:22:05 AM 492 Views
That’s a much better song too *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:05:04 PM 582 Views
That was just so he could murder all their sons and prove he is awesome. random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:24:16 PM 898 Views
Never heard that one. The Trainspotting song “Temptation” is much better (Crowded House sucks) *NM* Tom - 10/12/2017 02:02:37 PM 539 Views
Auto-da-fé, what's an auto-da-fé? It's what you oughtn't to do but you do anyway! *NM* Roland00 - 09/12/2017 03:55:47 AM 575 Views
Revelation 22:18, 19 damookster - 09/12/2017 07:02:55 PM 808 Views
Does it have to be fire? I do not like the smell of burnt human flesh. Is it okay with the council Roland00 - 09/12/2017 11:55:31 PM 786 Views
Only fire can purify the stain of heresy. *NM* damookster - 10/12/2017 01:21:58 AM 596 Views
We have to burn you for blasphemy by comparing Francis to Christ Tom - 10/12/2017 02:04:04 PM 820 Views
I just find this deeply ironic that is all *NM* Roland00 - 10/12/2017 08:35:26 PM 525 Views
I'll search for an Italian transcript later, but... Larry - 10/12/2017 03:10:06 PM 1018 Views
It's not subjunctive per se. It's a negative imperative, damnit. Tom - 11/12/2017 02:11:53 AM 845 Views
I hadn't seen this post before I posted... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:46:07 AM 804 Views
It's been 23 years since my last Latin class Larry - 11/12/2017 04:48:54 AM 961 Views
My mother and a family friend priest drove by today... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 04:38:49 AM 872 Views
It's because it's *not* a translation issue, and Francis is deceiving the faithful. Tom - 11/12/2017 05:46:27 AM 836 Views
And what the fuck is wrong with this website? I didn't indent numbers and I used 1, 2, 3, 4 Tom - 11/12/2017 05:47:42 AM 915 Views
Incidentally, the numbers showed up accurately in my response while quoting, so who knows? *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:12:44 AM 547 Views
For the record, I'm not saying you're wrong... TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:11:59 AM 834 Views
You know, now that I think about it, Job isn't a good reference. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 07:21:13 AM 980 Views
Tom is correct, but let me make the argument that the Pope is right Roland00 - 11/12/2017 08:49:35 PM 1164 Views
If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ Tom - 12/12/2017 03:43:50 PM 837 Views
I've read that "heresy" comes from words meaning 'to cut' or else to 'seize or take away' Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:56:19 PM 869 Views
Re: If it is not a translation problem (and it isn't), then the Pope is changing the words of Christ TyrReborn - 12/12/2017 06:24:58 PM 851 Views
The vicar of Christ doesn't get to change the words of Christ. damookster - 11/12/2017 08:12:22 AM 923 Views
Fair enough. *NM* TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 05:44:46 PM 523 Views
but he is infallible ???? random thoughts - 11/12/2017 09:22:02 PM 813 Views
The Pope is only infallible in certain situations. TyrReborn - 11/12/2017 10:40:28 PM 867 Views
Link not working for you? *NM* random thoughts - 12/12/2017 12:44:23 AM 556 Views
Yes, and thankfully he wasn't making a proclamation ex cathedra. Tom - 12/12/2017 01:09:25 AM 836 Views
I mean...I love me some theology... Jeordam - 11/12/2017 10:56:34 PM 903 Views
The problem is that I don't think he was thinking at all Tom - 13/12/2017 06:22:14 PM 773 Views
No arguments here Cannoli - 12/12/2017 03:51:59 PM 834 Views
Well, I needed to at least mention the Orthodoxy-Catholicism split Tom - 12/12/2017 05:01:54 PM 928 Views
Can't you just depose him. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 05:49:59 PM 792 Views
I could, but where's the fun in that? Tom - 13/12/2017 06:20:18 PM 900 Views
Because he would have to live with being deposed. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 07:05:35 PM 813 Views
As Stalin said, Нет человека, нет проблемы Tom - 13/12/2017 09:06:44 PM 859 Views
Like fire / Hellfire / This fire in my skin / This burning / Desire / Is turning me to sin *NM* Roland00 - 13/12/2017 09:21:16 PM 618 Views
How about we just send him to Avignon. The Shrike - 13/12/2017 11:31:25 PM 854 Views
If we send him in a soundproof box so all he can do is waive endlessly, sure! Tom - 14/12/2017 12:32:04 AM 871 Views
Schrodinger's Pope(s)? *NM* Roland00 - 15/12/2017 10:01:35 PM 500 Views
That would be fun. No one would know if he's alive or dead. *NM* Tom - 16/12/2017 03:50:13 AM 481 Views
Waive endlessly? Larry - 18/12/2017 03:06:39 AM 972 Views
It's the consequence of writing this in between contract revisions Tom - 18/12/2017 02:52:15 PM 1033 Views
I've had that happen before, minus the contract legalese Larry - 20/12/2017 03:43:50 AM 843 Views
music to burn heretics by... damookster - 13/12/2017 10:44:51 PM 977 Views
That is truly obscure Tom - 14/12/2017 12:39:43 AM 807 Views
It could be worse, my favorite 2 christmas albums are Roland00 - 14/12/2017 03:25:38 AM 815 Views
Sounds like your father was a wise man *NM* random thoughts - 14/12/2017 12:54:20 PM 524 Views
And he's still going nearly 50 years later... Simon - 16/12/2017 02:32:41 PM 1655 Views
That’s amazing. He’s still crazy. *NM* damookster - 16/12/2017 03:31:36 PM 511 Views
Agreed. *NM* Simon - 01/01/2018 01:59:14 PM 1072 Views
I'd like to thank everyone who replied to get the folder on fire. It adds a je ne sais quoi to it. *NM* Tom - 19/12/2017 05:10:02 PM 518 Views
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