Active Users:423 Time:30/04/2025 11:42:24 PM
Well, I needed to at least mention the Orthodoxy-Catholicism split Tom Send a noteboard - 12/12/2017 05:01:54 PM

Especially since I moved from the one side of the split to the other. Of course, having said that, most of the differences between Catholicism and Orthodoxy are what are called "uses" (like, by the way, ringing bells during the "non sum dignus" - they're not dictated by doctrine but rather, the result of tradition). I think that reconciliation of the churches could be accomplished easily if the churches did the following:

  1. The Orthodox acknowledge a slightly higher role for the Pope; i.e., accept that as Vicar of the West, he can formulate doctrine without an Ecumenical Council provided it is not at odds with an Ecumenical Council

  2. The Catholics adopt Orthodox traditions with respect to celibacy, i.e., parish priests should be married (and if their wives die, they are expected to become monks and relinquish their parishes), but religious orders and the Church hierarchy (bishops, cardinals) must all be celibate

  3. The Catholics adopt Orthodox traditions on divorce, i.e., up to 3 marriages and 2 divorces are permitted, generally only for serious problems, which would only amount to a slightly easier annulment process for Catholics

  4. The filioque is declared a divine mystery, with each side recognizing that it cannot be resolved definitively and allowing that each side continue to recite the Creed according to their tradition without breaking communion

Of course, this would only be possible if the Catholics were to go back to a pre-Vatican II stance generally, because pretty much all of the Vatican II innovations (other than Mass in the vernacular) amount to innovations that the Orthodox would reject.

A system like this would also make it easier for traditional Episcopalian denominations to rejoin such a wider communion.

Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

*MySmiley*
Reply to message
Pope Francis must be declared a heretic and burned. - 09/12/2017 03:14:16 AM 1556 Views
Oooh, theodicy. - 09/12/2017 03:28:21 AM 705 Views
Well, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" a couple of times. *NM* - 10/12/2017 09:22:05 AM 365 Views
That’s a much better song too *NM* - 10/12/2017 02:05:04 PM 447 Views
That was just so he could murder all their sons and prove he is awesome. - 11/12/2017 09:24:16 PM 676 Views
Revelation 22:18, 19 - 09/12/2017 07:02:55 PM 611 Views
Does it have to be fire? I do not like the smell of burnt human flesh. Is it okay with the council - 09/12/2017 11:55:31 PM 568 Views
Only fire can purify the stain of heresy. *NM* - 10/12/2017 01:21:58 AM 458 Views
We have to burn you for blasphemy by comparing Francis to Christ - 10/12/2017 02:04:04 PM 596 Views
I just find this deeply ironic that is all *NM* - 10/12/2017 08:35:26 PM 390 Views
I'll search for an Italian transcript later, but... - 10/12/2017 03:10:06 PM 803 Views
It's not subjunctive per se. It's a negative imperative, damnit. - 11/12/2017 02:11:53 AM 618 Views
I hadn't seen this post before I posted... - 11/12/2017 04:46:07 AM 577 Views
It's been 23 years since my last Latin class - 11/12/2017 04:48:54 AM 748 Views
My mother and a family friend priest drove by today... - 11/12/2017 04:38:49 AM 616 Views
The vicar of Christ doesn't get to change the words of Christ. - 11/12/2017 08:12:22 AM 696 Views
Fair enough. *NM* - 11/12/2017 05:44:46 PM 363 Views
but he is infallible ???? - 11/12/2017 09:22:02 PM 615 Views
The Pope is only infallible in certain situations. - 11/12/2017 10:40:28 PM 617 Views
Link not working for you? *NM* - 12/12/2017 12:44:23 AM 405 Views
I mean...I love me some theology... - 11/12/2017 10:56:34 PM 687 Views
The problem is that I don't think he was thinking at all - 13/12/2017 06:22:14 PM 559 Views
No arguments here - 12/12/2017 03:51:59 PM 640 Views
Well, I needed to at least mention the Orthodoxy-Catholicism split - 12/12/2017 05:01:54 PM 694 Views
Can't you just depose him. - 13/12/2017 05:49:59 PM 578 Views
I could, but where's the fun in that? - 13/12/2017 06:20:18 PM 673 Views
Because he would have to live with being deposed. - 13/12/2017 07:05:35 PM 588 Views
As Stalin said, Нет человека, нет проблемы - 13/12/2017 09:06:44 PM 607 Views
How about we just send him to Avignon. - 13/12/2017 11:31:25 PM 635 Views
If we send him in a soundproof box so all he can do is waive endlessly, sure! - 14/12/2017 12:32:04 AM 645 Views
Schrodinger's Pope(s)? *NM* - 15/12/2017 10:01:35 PM 352 Views
Waive endlessly? - 18/12/2017 03:06:39 AM 760 Views
It's the consequence of writing this in between contract revisions - 18/12/2017 02:52:15 PM 810 Views
I've had that happen before, minus the contract legalese - 20/12/2017 03:43:50 AM 621 Views
music to burn heretics by... - 13/12/2017 10:44:51 PM 736 Views
That is truly obscure - 14/12/2017 12:39:43 AM 589 Views
It could be worse, my favorite 2 christmas albums are - 14/12/2017 03:25:38 AM 581 Views
Sounds like your father was a wise man *NM* - 14/12/2017 12:54:20 PM 370 Views
And he's still going nearly 50 years later... - 16/12/2017 02:32:41 PM 1291 Views
That’s amazing. He’s still crazy. *NM* - 16/12/2017 03:31:36 PM 334 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 01/01/2018 01:59:14 PM 904 Views

Reply to Message