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Trump caves, Dems get what they want - an Executive Order not new legislation damookster Send a noteboard - 20/06/2018 10:00:03 PM

When the optics of your policies are so bad that your wife and daughter are giving you hell to change them, you don't have much choice. "When mamma's unhappy everyone is unhappy," applies to heads of state as well as to the rest of us. (for particularly dense readers, the previous paragraph was tongue in cheek)

Clearly ending the separation of parents and children is a good thing and should be done. Yet this is not a solution.

Why not? Because unlike new legislation, it doesn't address the Flores decision. That 2015 decision, in response to the Obama administration policy of incarcerating the huge influx of Central American illegals as mothers together with children, made the following rulings.

  • That families could only be detained together for a limited amount of time
  • That facilities used for family detention had to be non-secure and licensed for child care.

  • That unless the family was a flight risk or a danger to national security, and there was no option for releasing just the child (relative or legal guardian not incarcerated,)then both parents and children must be released.

Today's Trump Executive Order to keep families together while detained is now subject to these existing restrictions. Which is no doubt exactly why Sen. Schumer and Rep. Pelosi insisted no new law was necessary, all that was needed was an Executive Order. Without a new law to address the Flores restrictions, ICE will have to return to the "catch and release" policy implemented under Obama in response to this ruling. Families were released with a court order to appear. Amazingly, many seemed to forget the appearance date or otherwise inadvertently overlooked their obligation.

Once again Congress has punted on immigration reform. Let's clearly state what the Dems really want - open borders. Preferably as dictated by judicial decision. So they remain blameless.

Mook

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Trump caves, Dems get what they want - an Executive Order not new legislation - 20/06/2018 10:00:03 PM 894 Views
Re: Trump caves, Dems get what they want - an Executive Order not new legislation - 20/06/2018 11:25:44 PM 456 Views
Like I said, the optics were bad. - 21/06/2018 12:31:32 AM 374 Views
How much new legislation can the Democrats pass? - 20/06/2018 11:32:50 PM 391 Views
You are missing the point - 21/06/2018 12:13:32 AM 348 Views
It was played perfectly - 20/06/2018 11:44:43 PM 394 Views
He would have to be the new Teflon Don to turn around this one. - 21/06/2018 12:33:43 AM 338 Views
Mookie you are projecting - 20/06/2018 11:48:20 PM 343 Views
Bah - 21/06/2018 12:24:56 AM 364 Views
Great job by Trump, he ended a bad policy that has been going on for years..... - 21/06/2018 04:41:52 AM 393 Views
Seriously? You obviously don’t get this issue at all. *NM* - 21/06/2018 05:23:30 AM 276 Views
If they want open borders they are supporting cheap labor and the exploitation of labor. - 21/06/2018 01:00:26 PM 393 Views
Oh that's changing. Do you want to know how? - 21/06/2018 06:21:47 PM 427 Views
Separating kids from their accused felon parents who are being incarcerated is the worst thing ever - 21/06/2018 03:11:34 PM 369 Views
Agreed - 21/06/2018 03:31:12 PM 354 Views
We've been beating that drum for a while now, too. People just have ignored it. - 22/06/2018 09:38:49 AM 296 Views
Maybe I'm not sure where you stand - 22/06/2018 02:50:55 PM 353 Views
I'm a prison abolitionist, so... *NM* - 23/06/2018 05:56:16 AM 194 Views
is that really a thing? - 28/06/2018 02:39:40 PM 521 Views
Yeah. Removing non-violent drug offenders is one thing... - 28/06/2018 06:16:50 PM 338 Views
crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor - 26/06/2018 12:37:44 AM 510 Views
"Technically correct, the best kind of correct" is actually supposed to be a humorous refutation. - 26/06/2018 02:24:36 PM 390 Views
I agree this is a great type of humor - 26/06/2018 05:07:22 PM 304 Views
I often think of this when I read one of your replies... - 26/06/2018 06:00:00 PM 371 Views
How do you capture "lightning in a bottle?" - 26/06/2018 07:50:37 PM 405 Views
I often don't understand you - 27/06/2018 04:19:00 PM 411 Views
see, cause a felony would be a criminal act that can result in separation. misdemeanor, not so much - 27/06/2018 11:29:26 PM 567 Views
"not so much" or "not as often"? Because I think you're wrong. - 28/06/2018 01:57:35 AM 336 Views
You are wrong on the issue. - 28/06/2018 05:06:29 AM 348 Views
I am not Trump. - 28/06/2018 01:51:10 PM 407 Views
I'm just so, so tired of false outrage. - 21/06/2018 03:40:22 PM 380 Views
You don't think Trump will win re-election in 2020? - 21/06/2018 06:18:31 PM 321 Views
Oh, I'm sure he will if the Dems keep up their incessant bitching. - 21/06/2018 10:01:03 PM 351 Views
Tyr - 21/06/2018 10:06:06 PM 374 Views
Hahaha, alright that was pretty good. - 21/06/2018 11:45:53 PM 282 Views
Tim Miller is a practitioner of the Dark Arts - 22/06/2018 12:54:44 AM 296 Views
He would lose to a moderate. - 26/06/2018 05:27:02 PM 366 Views
I don't know about that - 27/06/2018 07:06:12 PM 394 Views
And on the subject of timing - 27/06/2018 07:38:55 PM 387 Views
That is a game changer - 28/06/2018 03:08:34 PM 382 Views
Just wait until Ginsburg dies around Christmas *NM* - 03/07/2018 12:40:19 AM 224 Views
Wasn't that what Republicans did to Obama? - 21/06/2018 10:09:41 PM 341 Views
For sure, the Reps obstructed Obama because they opposed him... - 21/06/2018 11:35:20 PM 289 Views
The media ran a piece on him eating dijon mustard. - 22/06/2018 09:37:00 AM 303 Views
Come on now, he hasn't said something like that for AT LEAST 3 weeks. - 22/06/2018 03:34:11 PM 306 Views
Are we seeing the same thing? - 26/06/2018 09:08:05 PM 466 Views
Oh, I agree he's a hurricane etc, but come on. Watch CNN for 15 minutes... - 28/06/2018 01:12:22 AM 316 Views
I have not had Cable for years. - 28/06/2018 04:47:42 AM 332 Views
Opens Twitter — ¡Oh HELL No! — Closes Twitter - 21/06/2018 10:02:21 PM 271 Views

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