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View original postAs Cannoli wrote, Fox has always been treated as the other, attacked for supposedly low quality repeatedly even on Wotmania's heyday.


View original postA good part of that criticism is because Fox does in fact love scaremongering, but fine, whatever. It's not about whether the liberal media is right or wrong to bash Fox - it's about whether Fox actually has the power and the influence. Seems pretty hard to deny that it does. So if Shapiro or certain other conservatives keep railing against 'the media' as if 'the media' were some nefarious left-wing monolithical entity, that's just because playing the underdog is nice for propaganda purposes.


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View original postI recall seeing 'Arrival' last year. A very good product of Hollywood. Spoilers for this paragraph: There's a bit there when the linguist scientist is on her way to her car, right after her lecture is cancelled but before she is recruited. She is talking with her mom, and you can only hear her side of the conversation. She says something like, "No mom, we don't yet. Well, I told you not to listen to that channel. Those people are always playing up the hysteria" or something like that. She doesn't need to name the channel because you know what Hollywood means because it's been harped by the media forever.


View original postHollywood is obviously left-wing, yes - see my reply to Cannoli for some further thoughts on that.


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View original postThere is a parallel situation in the Israeli media, btw. It used to be you had 3 major newspapers, one on the left (Haaretz) and two others more centric. However, all three papers were always very anti-Netanyahu and mostly anti-Likud.


View original postThat would be Maariv and Yedioth Ahronoth?


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View original postBut this became evident only when a 4th paper ("Israel Hayom" was started which took a pro-Netanyahu approach. Before this new paper I dare say people were like fish oblivious to the water. Israel Hayon is now the biggest paper but it would be disingenuous to call it part of the media, or media establishment. It was also the subject of attempted legislation aimed at curbing its circulation by disallowing free papers.


View original postPro-Netanyahu or pro-Bennett? As much as I dislike Netanyahu, he's been looking like the hostage of the far-right for a good while now, at least from an outsider's perspective...


View original postAnyhow, to get back to the point, your argument makes as little sense as Cannoli's. According to Wikipedia, Israel Hayom has the largest readership of all Israeli newspapers, so that makes it a pretty big player in 'the media', as long as it's allowed to operate of course. And here as well, the government is in the hands of the parties it supports. Whether the other three major newspapers, or the political left, like it or not is pretty immaterial.


Only some 27 endorsed Trump, the biggest of which was the LVRJ.
It means the left wing aligned media has a much larger ability to dictate narratives than its right wing counter part.

I mean, the right rails about antifa,Obama IRS scandals, Clinton emails etc, but i
But somehow it is "child separation" at tge border, the bunch of misfits called KKK, and Russia collusion that get all the attention, despite being only a notch more real than Alex Jones


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