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Yeah I wouldn't write off Europe fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 30/06/2020 11:49:32 PM

Is Europe completely fine? No. But that isn't your question. You're asking about in comparison to America, and most of Europe does better in multiple metrics. Legolas is right this is simply about better race-neutral social policy benefiting minorities in Europe, compared to in America, but the reverse is also true. America's shiftiness to it's poor redounds more strongly on it's minorities.

Australia is another place where there's plenty that is wrong, but there isn't such massive blindness about it. The Parliament actually issued a formal apology to the Indigenous Australian population for the child separation policy. While you can scoff at that as merely superficial, this kind of acceptance of guilt has profound downstream effects, not least being several of the Stolen Generation being able to fight for recompense in court, and several states offering up restitution funds.

The fact remains, America has never formally apologized for slavery. Correct me if I'm wrong, but no formal apology has ever passed both the House and Senate and signed into law. Never apologized for the Trail of Tears, though looking into it, an apology to Native Americans was apparently buried in a Defense Bill in 2010.

Later ills, like Him Crow, redlining, and the war on drugs have never been apologized for. Clinton apologized for the Crime Bill, but only when it was politically expedient.

Moving past reckoning and apology, it's also true that literally no other country in this planet incarcerated such a high proportion of it's minority population.

And while again, the case can be made that America's broad wealth inequality is worse than other advanced nations, that, too, falls more harshly on African Americans and Native people.

None of which is to say America is the worst about this. Absolutely not. But it's far from the best.

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Indians are being held up as a model minority. That's not helping the Black Lives Matter movement - 29/06/2020 06:59:25 PM 1082 Views
As part of the "model" minority - 29/06/2020 08:18:17 PM 592 Views
How have you failed? - 29/06/2020 10:31:17 PM 573 Views
I still don't do enough. Silence and inaction are failure enough - 30/06/2020 03:29:29 AM 575 Views
I have to be honest, the privilege argument is dubious. - 30/06/2020 04:19:42 AM 666 Views
Re: I have to be honest, the privilege argument is dubious. - 30/06/2020 05:39:30 AM 700 Views
Here you go, you can also look up the raw census data - 30/06/2020 01:40:24 PM 622 Views
Some thoughts... - 30/06/2020 06:19:28 AM 543 Views
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I'm actually *very* curious of this myself.... - 30/06/2020 04:54:48 PM 538 Views
Maybe Canada. *NM* - 30/06/2020 06:57:01 PM 259 Views
Canada seems to have the same racial income gap issues as the US - 30/06/2020 07:29:21 PM 717 Views
Yeah I wouldn't write off Europe - 30/06/2020 11:49:32 PM 607 Views
here is an interesting article on mass incarceration in the USA. - 30/06/2020 02:30:09 PM 631 Views
Wow, good stuff, thanks for posting! *NM* - 30/06/2020 02:57:08 PM 265 Views
Interesting read indeed. - 30/06/2020 08:29:53 PM 563 Views
Not just a rich person - 30/06/2020 08:51:44 PM 533 Views
I have three anecdatas - 30/06/2020 09:23:10 PM 571 Views
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The Jury Trial - 30/06/2020 11:51:54 PM 544 Views
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There's more - 01/07/2020 12:55:57 AM 542 Views
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Guilt doesn't have much to do with it... - 01/07/2020 03:51:05 AM 544 Views
Yes, I’m sure that has a lot to do with it. - 01/07/2020 03:52:15 AM 527 Views
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It was a little tongue in cheek - 01/07/2020 04:20:08 AM 568 Views
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a couple of points - 01/07/2020 07:42:32 PM 564 Views
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Mook - Fionwe is a radical. You are not. - 01/07/2020 04:33:45 PM 564 Views
yes I suppose it was a foolish comment. - 01/07/2020 05:44:05 PM 553 Views
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On drug based incarcerations... - 01/07/2020 12:01:40 AM 511 Views
"most on nonviolent drug charges" - 30/06/2020 09:25:09 PM 541 Views
This White/Non-White Binary choice is simplistic. And leaves no room for nuance. - 01/07/2020 03:46:17 PM 551 Views
Absolutely right, I read an interesting article on this a while ago. - 01/07/2020 10:58:59 PM 580 Views
You have a binary choice... - 02/07/2020 12:10:49 AM 505 Views
Found the article (or at least something similar). - 01/07/2020 11:04:53 PM 533 Views

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