Re: Ha, should've known you'd be more critical than me about Elayne. 
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/09/2023 04:51:13 PM
Cannoli Send a noteboard - 02/09/2023 04:51:13 PM
In the books, Elayne does occasionally come across as spoiled or arrogant - not in her own PoV chapters obviously, but in those of others. Certainly the show is a bit more blatant about it, but that's inevitable. But they do also quickly show her intelligence, her diplomatic skills and her kindness and loyalty to her friends - so yeah, I'm pretty happy with her characterization so far.
There was a reference, but it may have been in the third episode, to Elayne having spent a lot of time at the Tower herself as a child, which I'm pretty sure isn't in the books but OK, so she wouldn't even have needed to rely on her mother's memories but her own. But then, as a visiting princess she would have had all those luxuries and while she'd have seen the novices around, she might not have seen how sparsely furnished their rooms were... eh, I'll buy it.
She mentions spending six summers in the Tower, and you make a really good point about the probable condition of her visits.
By the standards of this show at least, it's plausible - and it might also account for her familiar way of interacting with Aes Sedai that you comment on later.
View original post21:45 Cadsuane Melaidhrin had a close friend with whom she formed a legendary pairing of Aes Sedai. Ok, totally tracks. In normal circumstances, I might find it funny, considering that over the course of the series, Elayne is part of a pairing that in just a couple of years utterly blows any three Aes Sedai’s accomplishments out of the water, but not with her next-door neighbor novice, or even a woman with whom she shared a novitiate in any way.
I guess not a bad way to start building up for the eventual appearance of Cadsuane, though not sure why they couldn't have taken an actual book Aes Sedai for the name of the close friend.
View original postAlso, according to Verin, Moriaine brought the boys to the Tower in the autumn. Which means that one month of travel time that had elapsed when they arrived there means that Rand & Mat fled the Fade Thom fought and Nynaeve spontaneously Healed everyone and Logain was gentled after the attempt to recapture him and Perrin and Egwene joined the Tinker caravan a month before autumn. In other words, the first few episodes took place over a whole spring and most of a summer.
It doesn't seem like anyone is paying any kind of attention to the timeline, no...
View original postAnother, even worse possibility is a Lanfear redemption arc. There seems to be a segment of the fandom who are obsessed with her, and her combination of beauty and channeling capacity and are constantly wishing she was a good guy or at least was closer to Rand than she was ITB. Given what other elements the producers seem to be pandering to, it would not surprise me in the least.
I hope not - though I wouldn't mind a somewhat less extreme, more believable version of ITB Lanfear's character. Same with other Forsaken, really - arrogant and thinking of themselves as gods, sure, but a touch more common sense wouldn't hurt.
View original post34:24 It’s just a cherry on top of the shit sundae, but going through Egwene to get to Nynaeve only reinforces their old hometown ties that the Tower is, or should be, interested in breaking up. By treating them as a unit, they encourage Egwene and Nynaeve to see their relationship as having significance.
This is a good point I hadn't considered, but definitely too subtle for this writer's room. In fairness, probably too subtle for any TV writer's room, unless it concerns things that are much higher priority for the overarching plot.
View original post39:00 This is the first time I saw that Mat’s digging tool is a spoon. Which means that Liandrin is also inept in handling a prisoner, because she can’t be bothered with something as basic as counting the utensils.
Wait till you see what she does in the next episode... it might not be 'inept' so much as 'can't be bothered'.
View original post39:51 Is it me, or do they all look embarrassed for Adeleas? I can’t give the show credit, because they are like that creepy “cool mom” or wine aunt who think their sex talk makes them cool, so they have no business characterizing Adeleas as weird and out of touch. Adeleas did not make them write Alanna last episode or have Min’s first question to Mat be about sex.
Yeah, I also got that impression.
It's a TV show - it's inevitable to have things said out loud that were only hinted at or shown indirectly in internal dialogue in the book it was based on. Unless you have an external narrator who can fill those gaps, which works in some cases but wouldn't make any sense in this kind of show.
Yeah, but how you have her say it makes a difference. You can make her say it in a positive manner - "I like this, Egwene, I've never had a friend with whom I can talk this way, before" or "I'm so looking forward to making new friends, I have to be careful with everyone I speak to at court..."
It might not come across in my writing, but I do try to give make allowances for the medium. Sometimes when I note a difference, it's not intended critically, just making a note to keep in mind how they're going to play it out, or what it says about their focus or priority.
Their track record of handling such differences has basically exhausted any good faith, though.
I noticed that too - taking the opportunity to distinguish themselves from GoT. As you point out on many occasions, they are far more open about sexuality than the books, but on the other hand less inclined to have actual nudity (which in fairness was often of a non-sexual nature in the books, but on TV, it is almost inevitably sexual).
Yeah, I agree with the choice here, and for just about any of the scenes like that from the books. But the flip side of that is Moiraines's three baths in the first nine episodes. That's not RJ writing that Moiraine is naked, that's a camera panning over Rosamund Pike's bare limbs. Aesthetically, there's nothing wrong with that, but it's definitely mixed messages wrt sexuality.
Stilled, surely - so yes, she could be blatantly lying, but I don't think the writers actually intend for her to be lying...
That's the problem with bad writing and world-building. You just can't tell. It's like on GoT or Sanderson's books, when they tried to write characters bring good at politics and we got negotiations even worse than Domon & Moiraine (Egwene in the Hall & w the Sea Folk, Cersei & the High Sparrow, Mace & the bankers, Tyrion and his treason tribunal, or the slavers), but other times they didn't pay attention or missed the significance and in the background Ned or Cersei are actually doing a good job (Ned's scene on the Iron Throne, Cersei's small council meetings), even though from the dialogue, the show thinks they are blundering fools.
But yeah, for a show that's never going to have enough time to cover even the essentials of the book plot, they do continue to waste a lot of time on nonsense. Making major changes with some characters cut and parts of their roles moved over to others is one thing - for instance, after episode three I think I understand what they're planning to do with Logain - but there's a lot that just seems dumb and not really building up to anything useful.
Yeah, it seems like they really are merging Liandrin & Elaida, and a lot of little changes with Elayne might be to accommodate her absence. Like summer vacations in the Tower to account for her familiarity.
Cannoli
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“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
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Ha, should've known you'd be more critical than me about Elayne.
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Re: Ha, should've known you'd be more critical than me about Elayne.
- 02/09/2023 04:51:13 PM
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