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Fanatic-Templar Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 10:41:42 PM
Sorry, I've been discussing paladin morality recently. There are two main venues of ethics, in which morality is determined either by the actions one does (deontology) or the effects of the actions taken (consequentialism). My approach to lynching Fox yesterday was consequentialist - the ends justify the means. Kronin's objection is deontological - the future is unknowable, therefore the only way to operate morally is to not commit an evil action, such as murdering (potential) innocents.
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RAFO Mafia 16, Day 3: In the Manor of Mad Muad (Ended) Isaac - 25/04/2010 10:53:09 PM 2739 Views
General Info from the Moderator: Update 23 Isaac - 26/04/2010 01:25:44 AM 1396 Views
Official Vote Record - Artsapat Lynched Isaac - 26/04/2010 01:54:03 AM 1560 Views
Chair and Advocate Vote Record Isaac - 26/04/2010 01:54:34 AM 1376 Views
Inactivity Tracker - VNTL: 6 Isaac - 26/04/2010 01:57:29 AM 1298 Views
NM - reserved *NM* Isaac - 26/04/2010 06:39:09 PM 750 Views
Posthumous Messages Isaac - 26/04/2010 04:38:44 PM 1420 Views
Yeesh. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:00:15 AM 1434 Views
There is a hint that there are multiple Aes Sedai BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:13:59 AM 1418 Views
Anyone who he knew was an Aes Sedai. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:27:58 AM 1260 Views
Oh, that's true. Well, still a hint there are multiple Aes Sedai. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:30:40 AM 1239 Views
Not necessarily. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:03:03 AM 1410 Views
What makes you think Male Channeler? Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:10:20 AM 1405 Views
Well, I was a male wilder in Isaac's last game... Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:13:59 AM 1291 Views
Hm. Well, OK. This told us a lot. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:09:30 AM 1432 Views
Off to See How to Train Your Dragon- I expect big things when I return! *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:14:36 AM 777 Views
Oh, and: The Salds are, of cours, Yunalesca and one other person, I'm guessing beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:15:55 AM 1465 Views
Yunalesa is the only other claimed Saldaean BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:22:27 AM 1321 Views
Eh, they're Masons beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:40:20 AM 1284 Views
Makes them prime NK targets. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:44:15 AM 1348 Views
Oh. Obviously. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:59 AM 1424 Views
Origin chart beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:13:43 AM 1264 Views
Also, regarding the Chair role BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:27:43 AM 1456 Views
Someone has a double vote? ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:47:11 AM 1387 Views
Yes, at the end of yesterday BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:33:32 AM 1477 Views
You're forgetting a couple ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:37:59 AM 1284 Views
Re: You're forgetting a couple BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:40:24 AM 1238 Views
Thanks, I stand corrected. *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:47:34 AM 755 Views
BlackAdder is correct, with a minor correlary beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:46:29 AM 1404 Views
Why not Talic? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:08:14 AM 774 Views
Eh. Newbie Tinker from the White Tower beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:28:30 AM 1423 Views
Roles are distributed randomly. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:32:59 AM 747 Views
Sez who? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:36:20 AM 1337 Views
Yes. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:55:42 AM 782 Views
Er... where? I just searched, but maybe I'm missing something beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:06:44 AM 1365 Views
He said it in the first game he modded, which I think is lost to Wotmania. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:21:18 AM 1315 Views
Mmm. OK, it's possible. I remain unconvinced, though- we'll ask Isaac after the game ends *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:43:37 AM 816 Views
I think randomizing roles is pretty standard Mod practice. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:55:35 PM 1404 Views
Random with a Caveat Isaac - 26/04/2010 03:43:29 PM 1314 Views
OK, that makes sense beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:11:57 PM 1423 Views
Well, I usually don't have much to say Talic - 26/04/2010 05:37:18 PM 1385 Views
I disagree. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:48:24 AM 1393 Views
Why would Shienarans have political clout? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:16:16 AM 1465 Views
We're in Shienar, aren't we? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:55 AM 1307 Views
Saldaea. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:19:19 AM 1421 Views
Dammit. Hm. Well, I suppose that does make him less likely, though not impossible beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:25:30 AM 1396 Views
You can't change your vote anyway. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:30:56 PM 753 Views
Oh, right. Well, OK. Everyone: Vote beetnemesis for Chair! A vote for beet is a vote for... um beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:39:15 PM 1368 Views
Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:19:34 PM 1423 Views
Re: Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:29:35 PM 1373 Views
Same benefit as every other Day. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:08:59 AM 1305 Views
No way should you get triple voting powers BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:29:06 AM 1257 Views
I do object ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:43:34 AM 1301 Views
Sure, you can have it too . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:17:16 AM 1304 Views
Well, kinda... ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:03:47 AM 1448 Views
That's true. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:20:17 AM 1149 Views
Also, the circumstances are different BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:48:07 AM 1310 Views
You should say doubly suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:18:50 AM 1398 Views
Yeah, No. Chair Vote: beetnemesis beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:48:44 AM 1349 Views
Huh. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:22:29 AM 1219 Views
Mod clarification BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:37:52 AM 1294 Views
I doubt it. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:39:16 AM 1312 Views
Re: I doubt it. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:24:27 AM 1041 Views
EBWOP: i.e. literally means "that is" BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:43:32 AM 1377 Views
Well, I think you're misunderstanding. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:57:55 AM 1220 Views
Yeah, likely means "Kill a DF at Night" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:36 AM 1282 Views
No, he's right. 'Id est' is specification, not an example. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:27:54 AM 1271 Views
Yeah, that makes me nervous too. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 02:46:19 AM 1341 Views
Probably he just copy-pasted from Fox's role message . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:09:44 AM 1239 Views
It's my understanding that the Mod almighty does not make mistakes *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:44:43 AM 1202 Views
He does, not many thankfully, which requires a lot of triple-checking Isaac - 26/04/2010 04:10:17 AM 1394 Views
Wait, so you're saying that wasn't a mistake? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:26:15 AM 1449 Views
Isaac's changed it to "e.g." Berg. could not vote with the Darkfriends. *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:30:25 PM 649 Views
It looks like it has been corrected BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:33:56 PM 1314 Views
Ah, okay. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:23:52 PM 1343 Views
my thoughts from last night ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:43:32 AM 1379 Views
Eh, just to change it from F-T: Chair Vote: ranagrande. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:56:15 AM 797 Views
I'm going to second this Talic - 26/04/2010 05:50:14 PM 1414 Views
some thoughts on the double NK fistofpainx - 26/04/2010 03:04:29 AM 1404 Views
Re: some thoughts on the double NK BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:09:00 AM 1308 Views
Yeah, I don't think who ever's making the extra kills is pro-town. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:15:12 AM 1220 Views
Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:20:48 AM 1280 Views
Re: Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:55:00 AM 1253 Views
Well to be fair Talic - 26/04/2010 05:48:10 PM 1307 Views
Yuna (and George) didn't vote for Fox because they were part of the Saldaean Group. Others may be DF beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 AM 1432 Views
Well, I am not a Saldaean and I am not a DF either. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:54:48 PM 1241 Views
Fox wasn't George because he had already claimed to be Saldean beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:28:38 PM 1278 Views
Why just me and Katie? Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 01:13:40 PM 1310 Views
It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:34:11 PM 1205 Views
Re: It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:49:37 PM 1388 Views
Something else: fistofpainx and BlackAdder are very likely innocent beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:38 AM 1285 Views
I think we have a decent shot at finding George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:41:40 PM 1318 Views
True- I meant "Innocent" as in "Not a DF" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:53:13 PM 1320 Views
Hypocop Table- Night 2 [Table] beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:42:46 AM 1325 Views
I found ranagrande to be Innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:43:11 AM 820 Views
I found Darth_Katie to be guilty *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:04:45 AM 763 Views
Gher, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:48:47 PM 748 Views
i found Fanatic-Templar to be innocent *NM* Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:34:33 PM 779 Views
I found Darth Katie to be innocent. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:49:40 PM 723 Views
Found Gher innocent *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:43:06 PM 780 Views
I found Gher to be Innocent *NM* Talic - 26/04/2010 05:51:53 PM 764 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 05:56:39 PM 771 Views
Really? The dead guy? Some cop you are *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:07:04 PM 747 Views
The cop wouldn't have known last Night that White Flame would end up dead. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:16:05 PM 1422 Views
Also, dead guys probably have a slightly higher chance of being hypocopped. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:22:59 PM 1346 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:30:43 PM 739 Views
Amys- Innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 04:38:05 AM 794 Views
Fanatic-Templar- Innocent *NM* Amys - 29/04/2010 05:37:29 AM 735 Views
BlackAdder Innocent *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:35:47 PM 787 Views
kay so, here's what i know Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:42:19 PM 1191 Views
What was your group decision? *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:36:58 PM 680 Views
That is... incredibly disappointing. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:25 PM 1299 Views
My thoughts RE: George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:28:19 PM 1701 Views
right, everything i know then Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 08:49:17 PM 1318 Views
so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 08:56:45 PM 751 Views
Re: so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:20:41 PM 1478 Views
And who did the actual killing? *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 09:32:00 PM 769 Views
Re: And who did the actual killing? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:38:39 PM 1197 Views
So you can both channel? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 09:43:44 PM 1383 Views
i can't channel Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:49:54 PM 1279 Views
*NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:01:40 PM 784 Views
lol! *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:46 PM 687 Views
Hmm BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:14:06 PM 1436 Views
i can't tell you the spesifics but Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:23:44 PM 1549 Views
And probably the sa'sara. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 10:31:31 PM 799 Views
No real reasons for killing Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:01:37 AM 1363 Views
EBWOP: There was supposed to be a question mark on that title. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:21:45 AM 787 Views
it was the first night Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:03:03 PM 1217 Views
Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:14:03 PM 1418 Views
Re: Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:21 PM 1392 Views
Yes, it really does matter beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:22:10 PM 1235 Views
As a matter of fact... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:46:01 PM 1327 Views
EBWOP: Notice how what Isaac says doesn't mean Fox was telling the truth about not being George. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:47:32 PM 747 Views
Ah! Thanks. That was bugging me. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:52:37 PM 1349 Views
But there's not much we can do about it right now. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:49:50 PM 1351 Views
I remain suspicious of you. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:44:59 PM 1354 Views
To be fair... people ALWAYS kill Hobo beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:54:14 PM 1352 Views
It sure seems to be the case. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:56:54 PM 1370 Views
I'd rather not discount warranted suspicions because someone can offer plausible justification. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 01:02:50 AM 1307 Views
OK, I believe it BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:11:19 PM 1272 Views
Why did neither you nor Bergioyn speak up when Fox claimed vanilla? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 01:41:35 AM 770 Views
Actually, that's a very good question. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 02:42:36 AM 802 Views
i don't know why Ber didn't Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:10:47 PM 1462 Views
Well, you knew he was lying, then. Why not vote him? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:09:55 PM 753 Views
because i thought he was simply lying about being a mason Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 08:27:00 PM 1353 Views
It would have been dumb of you to lynch a known liar? Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 08:32:15 PM 1443 Views
oh come on! Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 10:38:35 PM 1416 Views
The first night message I sent him... Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:15:29 AM 1224 Views
Wrong game Isaac - 29/04/2010 07:25:23 AM 1414 Views
Oh right, that was Darth_Katie's game. Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:40:23 AM 1247 Views
Oh... was I... a servant of some kind? Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:42:58 AM 1226 Views
He was also lying about being a 'vigilante' BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:28:58 PM 1434 Views
She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:40:24 PM 1455 Views
Re: She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:51:44 PM 1324 Views
Hobo also didn't vote or claim for Blaine. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:59:32 PM 1288 Views
I, for one, STRONGLY doubt that Yuna is a DF beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:27:25 PM 1304 Views
I also don't think she is in league with Fox et al. BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:00:56 AM 1401 Views
The same thing happened with Blaine, though beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:51:53 AM 1440 Views
I'll venture a guess as to what happened... ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:34:50 AM 1289 Views
Re: I'll venture a guess as to what happened... Talic - 28/04/2010 03:04:43 AM 1258 Views
Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:59:12 AM 1214 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:26:43 PM 1305 Views
EBWOP - Arguing against my own point BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:35:46 PM 1455 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters Talic - 28/04/2010 04:47:56 PM 1362 Views
Do you know the specifics of how White Flame's power worked? *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 05:08:18 PM 694 Views
Nope =/ *NM* Talic - 28/04/2010 06:15:40 PM 766 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 06:11:27 PM 1346 Views
Yes, I would. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:21:19 AM 1255 Views
just for the record, that was Blaine *NM* ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:45:52 PM 782 Views
Ah, thanks. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:44:05 PM 741 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Gher - 26/04/2010 05:59:16 PM 1215 Views
Re: Advocate Vote: Gher BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:09:50 PM 1241 Views
Vote for Ranagrande for Chair Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:36:04 PM 1334 Views
LOL, thought you were trying to change votes Isaac - 26/04/2010 06:57:20 PM 1394 Views
Sorry . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:36:24 PM 1327 Views
Chair Vote: Beetnemesis Gher - 26/04/2010 10:55:03 PM 1317 Views
A few questions: Gher - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 PM 1357 Views
Re: A few questions: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:37:58 PM 1498 Views
Honestly, it's because I wasn't convinced. Isaac's deadline forced my hand beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:24 PM 1226 Views
I didn't see Fox as all that suspicious. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 08:36:44 PM 1310 Views
You and your deontological ethics . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 09:40:10 PM 797 Views
eh? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:42:30 PM 1421 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:41:42 PM 1307 Views
Re: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:53:33 PM 1296 Views
And you were willing to risk a no-lynch? Gher - 26/04/2010 10:46:31 PM 1321 Views
I honestly did not think that far ahead. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:59:40 AM 1388 Views
But you didn't offer any real alternatives, or try and persuade us to leave Fox alone. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:05:44 AM 1299 Views
I stuck to my principles, and that's that. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:30:36 PM 1270 Views
Because killing is good for the town ranagrande - 27/04/2010 04:55:54 PM 1257 Views
The question was rhetorical. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 05:05:18 PM 1311 Views
F-T killed him for science ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:21:07 PM 1340 Views
Yes, my angle came only midway through that lynch. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:26:43 PM 1411 Views
To me it looks like you just waited for the deadline. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:52:37 PM 1333 Views
"I honestly did not think that far ahead." <-------- This is pretty much the same excuse Fox used. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:57:34 PM 1236 Views
I've answered this multiple times. I'm not going to bother again. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 06:14:29 PM 1351 Views
Your answer just doesn't jive. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:01:24 AM 1280 Views
What do you want me to say? Kronin al'Sulc - 28/04/2010 02:22:02 AM 1309 Views
All right. *NM* Gher - 28/04/2010 02:30:33 AM 750 Views
. . . . Amys - 26/04/2010 10:20:09 PM 1438 Views
A Vigilante is a Serial Killer that only tries to kill DFs beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:27:04 PM 1384 Views
Isn't a vig protown? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:34:59 PM 1328 Views
You know, I'm not sure. Can the town win with the SK still alive? *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:40:36 PM 784 Views
it dosen't look like it Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:44:34 PM 1429 Views
No. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:44:35 PM 1415 Views
They win with town, but they're not always good for the town. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 10:43:15 PM 715 Views
All right. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:51:42 PM 1338 Views
Re: All right. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:58:44 PM 1219 Views
I think it's meant to be ambiguous. Gher - 26/04/2010 11:00:19 PM 1381 Views
Re: I think it's meant to be ambiguous. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:04:36 PM 1376 Views
I will second that comment. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:04:02 AM 1357 Views
to be perfectly honest fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:02:07 AM 1421 Views
Well of course! If people don't vote, a lynch isn't going to happen. *NM* Gher - 27/04/2010 05:07:32 AM 755 Views
So, what next? ranagrande - 27/04/2010 12:00:10 AM 1328 Views
well, I'll show my hand if you show yours *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:03:56 AM 780 Views
Hold off, for now. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:06:47 AM 1346 Views
Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:02:50 AM 1302 Views
Re: Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:01:12 AM 1419 Views
Yeah, but again, so what? Gher - 28/04/2010 02:00:29 AM 1229 Views
I just realized something... ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:57:37 PM 1293 Views
Hm. He could've been protecting someone else last night as well beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:42:27 PM 1341 Views
Wow, spot on BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:06:36 PM 1327 Views
Interesting angle. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:47:28 PM 1302 Views
Re: Interesting angle. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:24:42 PM 1328 Views
That idea is actually very plausible. However... Gher - 27/04/2010 09:57:46 PM 1272 Views
I could sign up for this plan... BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:03:23 AM 1524 Views
Yeah. That's not half bad, actually. *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:52:58 AM 703 Views
Fine. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:31:11 AM 1212 Views
I don't like it either, to tell the truth. Gher - 28/04/2010 04:33:50 AM 1162 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:35:43 PM 1256 Views
EBWOP: double post and location Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:23:10 PM 1220 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:39:07 PM 1313 Views
I have no idea what's going on with George. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:21:16 PM 1318 Views
If you don't mind me saying... Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:51:19 PM 1225 Views
Ahhhhh, nice catch beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 07:28:03 PM 1374 Views
Re: If you don't mind me saying... Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:20:31 PM 1309 Views
I don't think he's a commoner BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:35:35 AM 1229 Views
Berg was likely killed because Fox was lynched beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:34:04 PM 1342 Views
Again, I say! Vote for beetnemesis- and maybe we'll get an Event! beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:46:12 PM 1329 Views
You might want to specify that you're asking for a Chair vote. Gher - 27/04/2010 07:04:27 PM 1295 Views
Ahem. Right. CHAIR Vote for me! beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:53:14 AM 1266 Views
I want to plug this one more time. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:09:52 AM 1389 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:46:14 AM 1267 Views
It's the thought that counts. Well, sort of. beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 01:48:56 AM 1267 Views
In my defense, you are anti-vegetable *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:59:25 AM 715 Views
Also, worst-case scenario... Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 02:40:50 AM 1323 Views
The Event will be that Gher and I magnify each others' power and become as unto GODS beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:37:42 AM 1285 Views
But yeah, I think I need one more vote- hey, quiet types! Chair Vote me! beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:40:38 AM 1413 Views
I'm starting to like this idea a lot too ranagrande - 29/04/2010 02:26:28 AM 1304 Views
So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:59:04 PM 1276 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:17:16 PM 1269 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? Talic - 27/04/2010 11:50:06 PM 1328 Views
She's RBIRL Isaac - 27/04/2010 07:31:21 PM 1297 Views
Good to know... but doesn't exactly change things beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:35:30 PM 1299 Views
You may have noticed Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:23:44 AM 1284 Views
My point was more that we know nothing about you beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:51:00 AM 1297 Views
Yunalesca: Gher - 28/04/2010 01:58:28 AM 1366 Views
Fox couldn't have been behind killing White Flame ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:19:19 AM 1325 Views
Yeah, my bad. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:22:46 AM 1343 Views
Also: Gher - 28/04/2010 02:29:29 AM 1192 Views
yes to several *NM* Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:25:56 AM 729 Views
EBWOP Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:27:53 AM 1287 Views
More questions: Gher - 28/04/2010 03:52:20 PM 1406 Views
Re: More answers Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 07:40:27 PM 1341 Views
You still haven't answered the most important one. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:06:47 AM 1337 Views
Re: You still haven't answered the most important one. Yunalesca - 29/04/2010 11:33:48 AM 1304 Views
That's good to know ranagrande - 29/04/2010 03:12:48 PM 1378 Views
RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:30:26 AM 1386 Views
Re: RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Fox and Ravens - 28/04/2010 05:54:54 AM 1428 Views
Oh, Amys and Artsapat- hypocop, please beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 07:43:38 AM 1355 Views
RBIRL BlackAdder - 29/04/2010 08:46:11 PM 1340 Views
about the mass roleclaim ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:31:59 PM 1383 Views
Guys! 5 minutes left! beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 01:55:36 AM 1318 Views
Goes to first one voted for. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 02:00:33 AM 754 Views
Re: Guys! 5 minutes left! Isaac - 30/04/2010 03:44:40 AM 1319 Views
Looks right to me. Oh, well. At least now I can start accusing people beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 04:34:51 AM 1338 Views
Random Values needed, C-11 thanks Isaac - 30/04/2010 04:36:26 AM 1274 Views
C *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 04:43:47 AM 733 Views
11 *NM* Talic - 30/04/2010 05:46:13 AM 696 Views
Event: Lunch Interlude Day 3 Isaac - 30/04/2010 08:37:51 PM 1278 Views
So, just so I'm sure I'm reading this right... beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:18:48 PM 1302 Views
So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:24:56 PM 1344 Views
I think you're right about Artsapat ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:44:24 PM 1330 Views
...that's right, I'd forgotten about that. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:09:28 PM 1247 Views
You know, looking at your summary post.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/05/2010 04:56:38 PM 1305 Views
Re: So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:32:54 PM 1312 Views
EBWOP: I just saw that Black DID hypocop Today. I missed it when I glanced up. *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:36:56 PM 760 Views
Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:26:52 PM 1187 Views
Re: Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? Yunalesca - 30/04/2010 10:52:27 PM 1258 Views
by the way fistofpainx - 02/05/2010 06:32:44 AM 1309 Views
it should be obvious Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 06:40:32 PM 1530 Views
Re: it should be obvious Amys - 02/05/2010 07:12:44 PM 1372 Views
Re: it should be obvious Artsapat - 02/05/2010 07:31:47 PM 1217 Views
once again Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:41:56 PM 1307 Views
RBIRL Gher - 01/05/2010 03:46:59 PM 1345 Views
Yeah!! Go Jazz!! *NM* Hobo - 01/05/2010 09:49:49 PM 777 Views
Before we lynch anyone today Gher - 02/05/2010 09:57:25 PM 1417 Views
thats fine with me *NM* Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:27:31 PM 759 Views
I suggest lynch Artsapat, NK Darth Katie *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 12:45:45 AM 746 Views
I support this plan. ranagrande - 03/05/2010 02:59:11 AM 1256 Views
That's fine, but it might be wise to take contingencies into account. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 03:02:10 AM 1223 Views
Any suggestions? I can't see any contingencies for lynching Arty *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 03:42:06 AM 680 Views
Definitely Gher - 03/05/2010 05:07:02 AM 1437 Views
Why do you think mass roleclaiming is a good idea? beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 05:43:34 AM 1277 Views
I don't. Gher - 03/05/2010 04:23:14 PM 1277 Views
Sounds like a good idea to me. BlackAdder - 03/05/2010 03:23:21 PM 1231 Views
I usually disagree with mass rolelcaims on principle. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:16:58 PM 1258 Views
Quick RP Mafia Note Isaac - 03/05/2010 03:00:14 AM 1184 Views
Right, so Artsapat: beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 04:50:04 PM 1241 Views
I still have no idea why we're supposed to trust Yunalesca now. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:17:39 PM 717 Views
Pretty much everything we've seen has confirmed her claims. beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 08:39:16 PM 1327 Views
None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 09:08:13 PM 1350 Views
Hm. We could all hypocop her tomorrow? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:43:13 AM 1445 Views
Re: None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:12:16 PM 1329 Views
Not to mention that it's common for Darkfriends to accuse each other to divert suspicion. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2010 09:23:14 PM 1370 Views
She'll need a darn good explanation if she "goes off target" Gher - 03/05/2010 09:09:53 PM 1267 Views
so what exactly makes artspat a good choice? fistofpainx - 04/05/2010 12:26:12 AM 1342 Views
Well, here's my summary: beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 02:00:16 AM 1374 Views
Come on, as I pointed out, the timing doesn't support that. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:44:37 AM 1444 Views
Basically, it's ALL part of the game beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:26:35 PM 1315 Views
All right, I'll come clean Artsapat - 04/05/2010 08:21:36 AM 1335 Views
Fabulous Amys - 04/05/2010 09:20:07 AM 1320 Views
Unvote ranagrande - 04/05/2010 01:02:27 PM 1386 Views
You couldn't have seen him dozing in a chair in his room. He spent the Night in Talic's room. Gher - 04/05/2010 03:38:40 PM 1291 Views
No idea about the timing of my Night message. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 03:52:26 PM 1290 Views
How long were you outside White Flame's window? *NM* Gher - 04/05/2010 05:09:24 PM 755 Views
No idea. Sorry Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:49:36 PM 1250 Views
Re: No idea. Sorry BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:34:41 PM 1378 Views
...This is kind of weird beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 01:58:26 AM 1228 Views
I am inclined to agree. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 02:20:26 AM 1314 Views
He said he saw Bergioyn do it, unless I completely misread what he wrote. BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:47:02 AM 1274 Views
Nope- you misread. Both Arty and Lunch #3 tell us that the Watcher didn't see the killer beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:26:25 AM 1272 Views
The thing that makes me suspicious: Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:02:27 PM 1334 Views
That's true... Hey! Did anyone else Watch White Flame (or track Berg)? If so, we could use your help beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:31:05 PM 1301 Views
Re: ...This is kind of weird Artsapat - 05/05/2010 11:31:47 AM 1371 Views
So... you're saying that you heard Bergioyn die, just as he killed White Flame? *NM* beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:27:32 PM 717 Views
Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:29:36 PM 1243 Views
Re: Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message Yunalesca - 06/05/2010 12:16:16 AM 1383 Views
Well, tbh, even that was stated by Isaac in the opening scene *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:38:45 PM 748 Views
^^^btw, that post is not actually an *NM* but I can't edit it *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:40:35 PM 718 Views
This was basically what I was getting at beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 11:36:07 PM 1304 Views
Re: This was basically what I was getting at BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 12:06:52 AM 1354 Views
According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... Gher - 06/05/2010 02:34:41 AM 1328 Views
Re: According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:41:18 AM 1269 Views
Or whomever found White Flame. Gher - 06/05/2010 04:22:20 AM 1242 Views
Interesting. Unvote, for now beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:42:18 PM 1287 Views
Re: Interesting. Unvote, for now BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:39:23 PM 1281 Views
I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:50:04 PM 1296 Views
Re: I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:59:35 PM 1275 Views
Job security... so who are you working for? ranagrande - 05/05/2010 12:15:23 AM 1362 Views
I am unable to do anything at all, every single night. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 01:36:57 AM 734 Views
So, are you claiming vanilla, then? Or Day Mason? *NM* Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:46:16 PM 757 Views
I'm not claiming anything. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 07:53:04 PM 1291 Views
I think there was a role last game Isaac hosted that couldn't use their powers on consecutive nights Gher - 05/05/2010 01:47:38 AM 1224 Views
Re: All right, I'll come clean BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:30:29 PM 1328 Views
Some answers Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:43:49 PM 1562 Views
Vote: Artsapat ranagrande - 05/05/2010 02:08:06 PM 1331 Views
Re: Vote: Artsapat Artsapat - 05/05/2010 02:21:59 PM 1296 Views
Er... what evidence? You said that all you saw was White Flame was killed beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:22:03 PM 1329 Views
Re: Some answers BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:22:47 PM 1271 Views
You know, I don't like the details of your role... Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 03:26:20 AM 1208 Views
Hmmm. . . Amys - 04/05/2010 09:30:27 AM 1358 Views
So you do have a bite Artsapat - 04/05/2010 12:09:35 PM 1366 Views
Who doesn't? Amys - 04/05/2010 04:53:56 PM 1310 Views
Re: So you do have a bite BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:54:03 AM 1296 Views
Eh. Roles are good... but what have they gotten us so far? beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:30:23 AM 1251 Views
Yes, but having such a severe vote restriction, and no other powers as a townie, would suck. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:25:05 PM 721 Views
Isaac I'm just going to ignore Update 21 because it makes my head hurt *NM* beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:52:02 AM 710 Views
RBIRL - APs *sigh* Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:59:49 AM 1381 Views
RBIRL Yunalesca - 05/05/2010 04:19:43 PM 1277 Views
Ok, so Artsapat, your story isn't totally adding up beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 01:57:09 AM 1282 Views
Again... Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:02:49 AM 1332 Views
EBWOP: "The Lunch ISN'T backing him up." *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:03:45 AM 739 Views
Yeah this is what I'm thinking as well Talic - 06/05/2010 02:44:59 AM 1537 Views
Yeah, a Watcher role that doesn't actually get any results? Gher - 06/05/2010 02:38:11 AM 1330 Views
He's actually a Watcher/Tracker apparently. Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:44:20 AM 1310 Views
To all the people voting Artsapat BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:56:15 AM 1419 Views
^^^i.e., Amys, ranagrande, Talic, Kronin al'Sulc (I think that means L-2 with a VNTL of 6) *NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 04:02:23 AM 1284 Views
L-1, Ranagrande is Chair. Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:35:44 AM 1401 Views
Oh, well nevermind. Too late it seems. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:37:08 AM 708 Views
Yup, too late. BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:07:57 AM 1405 Views
So he's a Watcher/Tracker that doesn't actually get any results? How is that better? *NM* Gher - 06/05/2010 04:17:47 AM 734 Views
Eh. Sorry Arty, but the evidence has stacked up. Yuna, remember to kill DK beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 04:13:38 AM 1281 Views
Hold up. DK really? Gher - 06/05/2010 04:25:04 AM 1379 Views
DK has some negative points against her BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:17:42 AM 1367 Views
watcher that does not see fistofpainx - 06/05/2010 04:15:48 AM 1420 Views
Twilight - Artsapat has been Lynched Isaac - 06/05/2010 04:50:35 AM 1318 Views
Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Isaac - 06/05/2010 05:51:21 AM 1331 Views
Indeed. Gher - 06/05/2010 06:21:58 AM 1249 Views
Yeah, seriously. beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 06:31:57 AM 1291 Views
Re: Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Artsapat - 06/05/2010 07:17:12 AM 1278 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 07:22:40 AM 666 Views
Night Deadline extension Isaac - 06/05/2010 07:32:40 AM 1554 Views
RBIRL ranagrande - 06/05/2010 11:09:32 PM 1231 Views
Whoa you guys are still playing? Sweet. I totally forgot about this. *NM* Marshall - 07/05/2010 09:40:26 PM 890 Views
Oh hell yeah, man. Fox and Ravens - 07/05/2010 11:03:26 PM 1226 Views
Long time no see Isaac - 08/05/2010 01:35:23 PM 1389 Views
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