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I could sign up for this plan... BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 28/04/2010 01:03:23 AM
Of course, it might be that Isaac was waiting on White Flame for the sake of completion, and it was actually White Flame who was targeted.

Anyway, I'm not happy that we'd allow Yunalesca to have such a poor performance record just because it seems unlikely there would be two Darkfriends in the mason group. Sure, it's true, but at the same time if Isaac really wanted to hide a Darkfriend, where better than somewhere we'd expect to be already purged? I just don't know if Isaac decided to be that sneaky.

What's also interesting to note is that Bergioyn was killed by the Darkfriends immediately after Fox and Ravens' death. This could be one of two things, either Fox and Ravens and Yunalesca were both Darkfriends, and killing Bergioyn allowed the Shadow to maintain a majority vote over the Saldaean night kill, or the Darkfriends trusted Fox and Ravens to keep the Saldaeans operating in the desired direction, and with Fox dead they decided to act to remove the threatening vigilante night kill.

I think it makes more sense for Yuna as an SK.

Think about this: Isaac puts 3 people with 3 different win conditions in a group and gives them a collective kill (of course, none of them know this). The last person alive basically turns into either a vig, SK, or second DF kill. I think it's pretty genius :D

Also, about your first point - check the Mod updates post. I think it's the third update down the list, but Isaac mentions that it was a pretty important night action and had significant effects. If White Flame was targeted directly, then either he would have died, or someone he switched with would have died (not sure which). But if it's the former, then I don't think WF's action would have been important.



If she's a vigilante, we control a second lynch. Awesome!

If she's a SK, we still control the second lynch, with the possibility of her turning on us. She's unlikely to though, because the minute she kills someone other than our agreed upon target, she is lynched, and if she's an SK, she loses the game at that point.

If she's a DF, then we don't really control the lynch. She'll go along with whoever we decide to kill at night, until we actually pick a DF. Then her and her buddies will decide who needs to die, she'll kill another townie, and we'll lynch her the next day.

I think it is very unlikely that she is a DF. I know, that right there is a perfect reason for Isaac to make her a DF. WIFOM indeed. But it just seems unfair to Bergioyn, who we know is good.

Your scenario is much more likely, and cool. A Night Kill that is up for grabs among three factions. However, now that we know about it, we control it.

IMO, we should let her live through the Day, and give her a Night Target. Maybe the DFs hit her Tonight, but then, we haven't wasted a lynch, and they have to use their Night Kill on her. As an added precaution, we should encourage the Amulet Wearer (if they are Town) to watch her tonight, and we can see if she's a DF or not. If she isn't, then there's always the possibility that she's a SK, and we'll have to watch her if the DFs don't kill her. If she is, we lynch.
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RAFO Mafia 16, Day 3: In the Manor of Mad Muad (Ended) Isaac - 25/04/2010 10:53:09 PM 2613 Views
General Info from the Moderator: Update 23 Isaac - 26/04/2010 01:25:44 AM 1260 Views
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NM - reserved *NM* Isaac - 26/04/2010 06:39:09 PM 682 Views
Posthumous Messages Isaac - 26/04/2010 04:38:44 PM 1289 Views
Yeesh. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:00:15 AM 1322 Views
There is a hint that there are multiple Aes Sedai BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:13:59 AM 1309 Views
Anyone who he knew was an Aes Sedai. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:27:58 AM 1152 Views
Oh, that's true. Well, still a hint there are multiple Aes Sedai. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:30:40 AM 1126 Views
Not necessarily. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:03:03 AM 1302 Views
What makes you think Male Channeler? Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:10:20 AM 1230 Views
Well, I was a male wilder in Isaac's last game... Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:13:59 AM 1168 Views
Hm. Well, OK. This told us a lot. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:09:30 AM 1290 Views
Off to See How to Train Your Dragon- I expect big things when I return! *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:14:36 AM 710 Views
Oh, and: The Salds are, of cours, Yunalesca and one other person, I'm guessing beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:15:55 AM 1353 Views
Yunalesa is the only other claimed Saldaean BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:22:27 AM 1201 Views
Eh, they're Masons beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:40:20 AM 1169 Views
Makes them prime NK targets. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:44:15 AM 1240 Views
Oh. Obviously. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:59 AM 1312 Views
Origin chart beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 02:13:43 AM 1152 Views
Also, regarding the Chair role BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:27:43 AM 1346 Views
Someone has a double vote? ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:47:11 AM 1279 Views
Yes, at the end of yesterday BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:33:32 AM 1373 Views
You're forgetting a couple ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:37:59 AM 1170 Views
Re: You're forgetting a couple BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:40:24 AM 1134 Views
Thanks, I stand corrected. *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:47:34 AM 679 Views
BlackAdder is correct, with a minor correlary beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:46:29 AM 1279 Views
Why not Talic? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:08:14 AM 702 Views
Eh. Newbie Tinker from the White Tower beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:28:30 AM 1299 Views
Roles are distributed randomly. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:32:59 AM 681 Views
Sez who? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:36:20 AM 1212 Views
Yes. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:55:42 AM 697 Views
Er... where? I just searched, but maybe I'm missing something beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:06:44 AM 1254 Views
He said it in the first game he modded, which I think is lost to Wotmania. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:21:18 AM 1175 Views
Mmm. OK, it's possible. I remain unconvinced, though- we'll ask Isaac after the game ends *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 07:43:37 AM 751 Views
I think randomizing roles is pretty standard Mod practice. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:55:35 PM 1290 Views
Random with a Caveat Isaac - 26/04/2010 03:43:29 PM 1188 Views
OK, that makes sense beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:11:57 PM 1308 Views
Well, I usually don't have much to say Talic - 26/04/2010 05:37:18 PM 1274 Views
I disagree. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:48:24 AM 1281 Views
Why would Shienarans have political clout? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:16:16 AM 1360 Views
We're in Shienar, aren't we? beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:55 AM 1198 Views
Saldaea. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:19:19 AM 1287 Views
Dammit. Hm. Well, I suppose that does make him less likely, though not impossible beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:25:30 AM 1278 Views
You can't change your vote anyway. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:30:56 PM 696 Views
Oh, right. Well, OK. Everyone: Vote beetnemesis for Chair! A vote for beet is a vote for... um beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:39:15 PM 1247 Views
Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:19:34 PM 1290 Views
Re: Oh, there's another reason people should vote for me (and Gher): BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:29:35 PM 1258 Views
Same benefit as every other Day. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:08:59 AM 1204 Views
No way should you get triple voting powers BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:29:06 AM 1156 Views
I do object ranagrande - 26/04/2010 03:43:34 AM 1185 Views
Sure, you can have it too . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:17:16 AM 1177 Views
Well, kinda... ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:03:47 AM 1328 Views
That's true. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:20:17 AM 1036 Views
Also, the circumstances are different BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:48:07 AM 1193 Views
You should say doubly suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:18:50 AM 1295 Views
Yeah, No. Chair Vote: beetnemesis beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:48:44 AM 1245 Views
Huh. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:22:29 AM 1111 Views
Mod clarification BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 02:37:52 AM 1184 Views
I doubt it. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 02:39:16 AM 1192 Views
Re: I doubt it. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:24:27 AM 933 Views
EBWOP: i.e. literally means "that is" BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:43:32 AM 1254 Views
Well, I think you're misunderstanding. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:57:55 AM 1103 Views
Yeah, likely means "Kill a DF at Night" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:36 AM 1160 Views
No, he's right. 'Id est' is specification, not an example. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:27:54 AM 1154 Views
Yeah, that makes me nervous too. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 02:46:19 AM 1230 Views
Probably he just copy-pasted from Fox's role message . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:09:44 AM 1125 Views
It's my understanding that the Mod almighty does not make mistakes *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:44:43 AM 1091 Views
He does, not many thankfully, which requires a lot of triple-checking Isaac - 26/04/2010 04:10:17 AM 1275 Views
Wait, so you're saying that wasn't a mistake? Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:26:15 AM 1341 Views
Isaac's changed it to "e.g." Berg. could not vote with the Darkfriends. *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:30:25 PM 589 Views
It looks like it has been corrected BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:33:56 PM 1197 Views
Ah, okay. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:23:52 PM 1230 Views
my thoughts from last night ranagrande - 26/04/2010 02:43:32 AM 1257 Views
Eh, just to change it from F-T: Chair Vote: ranagrande. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:56:15 AM 695 Views
I'm going to second this Talic - 26/04/2010 05:50:14 PM 1302 Views
some thoughts on the double NK fistofpainx - 26/04/2010 03:04:29 AM 1284 Views
Re: some thoughts on the double NK BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:09:00 AM 1213 Views
Yeah, I don't think who ever's making the extra kills is pro-town. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:15:12 AM 1088 Views
Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 03:20:48 AM 1175 Views
Re: Hey, glad the Darkfriends didn't decide to 'finish the job' last night . BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:55:00 AM 1139 Views
Well to be fair Talic - 26/04/2010 05:48:10 PM 1200 Views
Yuna (and George) didn't vote for Fox because they were part of the Saldaean Group. Others may be DF beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 AM 1327 Views
Well, I am not a Saldaean and I am not a DF either. Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:54:48 PM 1143 Views
Fox wasn't George because he had already claimed to be Saldean beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:28:38 PM 1160 Views
Why just me and Katie? Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 01:13:40 PM 1196 Views
It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:34:11 PM 1094 Views
Re: It was just a feeling- I didn't mean to rule them out. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:49:37 PM 1271 Views
Something else: fistofpainx and BlackAdder are very likely innocent beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:17:38 AM 1174 Views
I think we have a decent shot at finding George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:41:40 PM 1208 Views
True- I meant "Innocent" as in "Not a DF" beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:53:13 PM 1205 Views
Hypocop Table- Night 2 [Table] beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:42:46 AM 1217 Views
I found ranagrande to be Innocent *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:43:11 AM 745 Views
I found Darth_Katie to be guilty *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 07:04:45 AM 676 Views
Gher, innocent. *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 12:48:47 PM 676 Views
i found Fanatic-Templar to be innocent *NM* Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:34:33 PM 711 Views
I found Darth Katie to be innocent. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 03:49:40 PM 660 Views
Found Gher innocent *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:43:06 PM 716 Views
I found Gher to be Innocent *NM* Talic - 26/04/2010 05:51:53 PM 684 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 05:56:39 PM 699 Views
Really? The dead guy? Some cop you are *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:07:04 PM 682 Views
The cop wouldn't have known last Night that White Flame would end up dead. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:16:05 PM 1305 Views
Also, dead guys probably have a slightly higher chance of being hypocopped. Gher - 26/04/2010 06:22:59 PM 1221 Views
I found White Flame of Tar Valon to be innocent. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:30:43 PM 673 Views
Amys- Innocent *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 04:38:05 AM 728 Views
Fanatic-Templar- Innocent *NM* Amys - 29/04/2010 05:37:29 AM 656 Views
BlackAdder Innocent *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:35:47 PM 713 Views
kay so, here's what i know Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 03:42:19 PM 1084 Views
What was your group decision? *NM* Darth_Katie - 26/04/2010 04:36:58 PM 617 Views
That is... incredibly disappointing. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 05:49:25 PM 1188 Views
My thoughts RE: George BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:28:19 PM 1575 Views
right, everything i know then Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 08:49:17 PM 1202 Views
so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 08:56:45 PM 682 Views
Re: so who did you choose to kill Nights 1 and 2? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:20:41 PM 1361 Views
And who did the actual killing? *NM* ranagrande - 26/04/2010 09:32:00 PM 706 Views
Re: And who did the actual killing? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:38:39 PM 1097 Views
So you can both channel? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 09:43:44 PM 1280 Views
i can't channel Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:49:54 PM 1163 Views
*NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:01:40 PM 716 Views
lol! *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:46 PM 625 Views
Hmm BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:14:06 PM 1332 Views
i can't tell you the spesifics but Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:23:44 PM 1434 Views
And probably the sa'sara. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 10:31:31 PM 732 Views
No real reasons for killing Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:01:37 AM 1254 Views
EBWOP: There was supposed to be a question mark on that title. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:21:45 AM 698 Views
it was the first night Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:03:03 PM 1110 Views
Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:14:03 PM 1314 Views
Re: Great! Thanks. OK, so that's our vig. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:17:21 PM 1242 Views
Yes, it really does matter beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:22:10 PM 1131 Views
As a matter of fact... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:46:01 PM 1201 Views
EBWOP: Notice how what Isaac says doesn't mean Fox was telling the truth about not being George. *NM* BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:47:32 PM 674 Views
Ah! Thanks. That was bugging me. beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:52:37 PM 1235 Views
But there's not much we can do about it right now. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:49:50 PM 1228 Views
I remain suspicious of you. Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:44:59 PM 1248 Views
To be fair... people ALWAYS kill Hobo beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:54:14 PM 1255 Views
It sure seems to be the case. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:56:54 PM 1272 Views
I'd rather not discount warranted suspicions because someone can offer plausible justification. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 01:02:50 AM 1185 Views
OK, I believe it BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:11:19 PM 1160 Views
Why did neither you nor Bergioyn speak up when Fox claimed vanilla? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 01:41:35 AM 701 Views
Actually, that's a very good question. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 02:42:36 AM 730 Views
i don't know why Ber didn't Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 12:10:47 PM 1353 Views
Well, you knew he was lying, then. Why not vote him? *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:09:55 PM 693 Views
because i thought he was simply lying about being a mason Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 08:27:00 PM 1247 Views
It would have been dumb of you to lynch a known liar? Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 08:32:15 PM 1334 Views
oh come on! Yunalesca - 27/04/2010 10:38:35 PM 1280 Views
The first night message I sent him... Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:15:29 AM 1109 Views
Wrong game Isaac - 29/04/2010 07:25:23 AM 1286 Views
Oh right, that was Darth_Katie's game. Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:40:23 AM 1136 Views
Oh... was I... a servant of some kind? Fanatic-Templar - 29/04/2010 07:42:58 AM 1113 Views
He was also lying about being a 'vigilante' BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:28:58 PM 1318 Views
She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:40:24 PM 1337 Views
Re: She would have outed herself and Bergioyn. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:51:44 PM 1215 Views
Hobo also didn't vote or claim for Blaine. Gher - 27/04/2010 09:59:32 PM 1185 Views
I, for one, STRONGLY doubt that Yuna is a DF beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:27:25 PM 1190 Views
I also don't think she is in league with Fox et al. BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:00:56 AM 1289 Views
The same thing happened with Blaine, though beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:51:53 AM 1330 Views
I'll venture a guess as to what happened... ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:34:50 AM 1160 Views
Re: I'll venture a guess as to what happened... Talic - 28/04/2010 03:04:43 AM 1138 Views
Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:59:12 AM 1083 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:26:43 PM 1173 Views
EBWOP - Arguing against my own point BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 04:35:46 PM 1334 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters Talic - 28/04/2010 04:47:56 PM 1237 Views
Do you know the specifics of how White Flame's power worked? *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 05:08:18 PM 631 Views
Nope =/ *NM* Talic - 28/04/2010 06:15:40 PM 706 Views
Re: Wow, that one post helped a lot! I hope this convinces the Yuna-haters BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 06:11:27 PM 1237 Views
Yes, I would. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:21:19 AM 1141 Views
just for the record, that was Blaine *NM* ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:45:52 PM 716 Views
Ah, thanks. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:44:05 PM 682 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Gher - 26/04/2010 05:59:16 PM 1105 Views
Re: Advocate Vote: Gher BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:09:50 PM 1131 Views
Vote for Ranagrande for Chair Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 06:36:04 PM 1209 Views
LOL, thought you were trying to change votes Isaac - 26/04/2010 06:57:20 PM 1269 Views
Sorry . Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 07:36:24 PM 1222 Views
Chair Vote: Beetnemesis Gher - 26/04/2010 10:55:03 PM 1201 Views
A few questions: Gher - 26/04/2010 06:14:48 PM 1244 Views
Re: A few questions: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 06:37:58 PM 1386 Views
Honestly, it's because I wasn't convinced. Isaac's deadline forced my hand beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 06:51:24 PM 1121 Views
I didn't see Fox as all that suspicious. Kronin al'Sulc - 26/04/2010 08:36:44 PM 1186 Views
You and your deontological ethics . *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 09:40:10 PM 727 Views
eh? Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 09:42:30 PM 1316 Views
Fanatic-Templar - 26/04/2010 10:41:42 PM 1208 Views
Re: BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:53:33 PM 1172 Views
And you were willing to risk a no-lynch? Gher - 26/04/2010 10:46:31 PM 1211 Views
I honestly did not think that far ahead. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:59:40 AM 1286 Views
But you didn't offer any real alternatives, or try and persuade us to leave Fox alone. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:05:44 AM 1190 Views
I stuck to my principles, and that's that. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 12:30:36 PM 1157 Views
Because killing is good for the town ranagrande - 27/04/2010 04:55:54 PM 1145 Views
The question was rhetorical. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 05:05:18 PM 1205 Views
F-T killed him for science ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:21:07 PM 1234 Views
Yes, my angle came only midway through that lynch. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:26:43 PM 1292 Views
To me it looks like you just waited for the deadline. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:52:37 PM 1202 Views
"I honestly did not think that far ahead." <-------- This is pretty much the same excuse Fox used. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:57:34 PM 1124 Views
I've answered this multiple times. I'm not going to bother again. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 06:14:29 PM 1224 Views
Your answer just doesn't jive. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:01:24 AM 1169 Views
What do you want me to say? Kronin al'Sulc - 28/04/2010 02:22:02 AM 1197 Views
All right. *NM* Gher - 28/04/2010 02:30:33 AM 681 Views
. . . . Amys - 26/04/2010 10:20:09 PM 1306 Views
A Vigilante is a Serial Killer that only tries to kill DFs beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:27:04 PM 1277 Views
Isn't a vig protown? BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:34:59 PM 1212 Views
You know, I'm not sure. Can the town win with the SK still alive? *NM* beetnemesis - 26/04/2010 10:40:36 PM 718 Views
it dosen't look like it Yunalesca - 26/04/2010 10:44:34 PM 1306 Views
No. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:44:35 PM 1296 Views
They win with town, but they're not always good for the town. *NM* Gher - 26/04/2010 10:43:15 PM 647 Views
All right. Gher - 26/04/2010 10:51:42 PM 1224 Views
Re: All right. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 10:58:44 PM 1100 Views
I think it's meant to be ambiguous. Gher - 26/04/2010 11:00:19 PM 1267 Views
Re: I think it's meant to be ambiguous. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:04:36 PM 1264 Views
I will second that comment. Kronin al'Sulc - 27/04/2010 01:04:02 AM 1253 Views
to be perfectly honest fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:02:07 AM 1308 Views
Well of course! If people don't vote, a lynch isn't going to happen. *NM* Gher - 27/04/2010 05:07:32 AM 690 Views
So, what next? ranagrande - 27/04/2010 12:00:10 AM 1222 Views
well, I'll show my hand if you show yours *NM* fistofpainx - 27/04/2010 05:03:56 AM 713 Views
Hold off, for now. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:06:47 AM 1219 Views
Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. Gher - 27/04/2010 05:02:50 AM 1196 Views
Re: Also, Blackadder, I'm not too happy that you skipped hypocopping yesterday. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:01:12 AM 1287 Views
Yeah, but again, so what? Gher - 28/04/2010 02:00:29 AM 1116 Views
I just realized something... ranagrande - 27/04/2010 05:57:37 PM 1192 Views
Hm. He could've been protecting someone else last night as well beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:42:27 PM 1227 Views
Wow, spot on BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:06:36 PM 1215 Views
Interesting angle. Fanatic-Templar - 27/04/2010 07:47:28 PM 1200 Views
Re: Interesting angle. BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:24:42 PM 1207 Views
That idea is actually very plausible. However... Gher - 27/04/2010 09:57:46 PM 1163 Views
I could sign up for this plan... BlackAdder - 28/04/2010 01:03:23 AM 1361 Views
Yeah. That's not half bad, actually. *NM* beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:52:58 AM 645 Views
Fine. Fanatic-Templar - 28/04/2010 03:31:11 AM 1114 Views
I don't like it either, to tell the truth. Gher - 28/04/2010 04:33:50 AM 1055 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:35:43 PM 1138 Views
EBWOP: double post and location Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:23:10 PM 1113 Views
I'm back Artsapat - 01/05/2010 02:39:07 PM 1207 Views
I have no idea what's going on with George. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:21:16 PM 1213 Views
If you don't mind me saying... Fanatic-Templar - 01/05/2010 06:51:19 PM 1110 Views
Ahhhhh, nice catch beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 07:28:03 PM 1270 Views
Re: If you don't mind me saying... Artsapat - 01/05/2010 08:20:31 PM 1205 Views
I don't think he's a commoner BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:35:35 AM 1122 Views
Berg was likely killed because Fox was lynched beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:34:04 PM 1224 Views
Again, I say! Vote for beetnemesis- and maybe we'll get an Event! beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:46:12 PM 1225 Views
You might want to specify that you're asking for a Chair vote. Gher - 27/04/2010 07:04:27 PM 1187 Views
Ahem. Right. CHAIR Vote for me! beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 01:53:14 AM 1162 Views
I want to plug this one more time. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:09:52 AM 1278 Views
Advocate Vote: Gher Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:46:14 AM 1153 Views
It's the thought that counts. Well, sort of. beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 01:48:56 AM 1145 Views
In my defense, you are anti-vegetable *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 01:59:25 AM 655 Views
Also, worst-case scenario... Kronin al'Sulc - 29/04/2010 02:40:50 AM 1216 Views
The Event will be that Gher and I magnify each others' power and become as unto GODS beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:37:42 AM 1178 Views
But yeah, I think I need one more vote- hey, quiet types! Chair Vote me! beetnemesis - 29/04/2010 06:40:38 AM 1295 Views
I'm starting to like this idea a lot too ranagrande - 29/04/2010 02:26:28 AM 1194 Views
So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 06:59:04 PM 1169 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 07:17:16 PM 1156 Views
Re: So, do we know... ANYTHING about Darth Katie? Talic - 27/04/2010 11:50:06 PM 1225 Views
She's RBIRL Isaac - 27/04/2010 07:31:21 PM 1192 Views
Good to know... but doesn't exactly change things beetnemesis - 27/04/2010 11:35:30 PM 1198 Views
You may have noticed Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:23:44 AM 1164 Views
My point was more that we know nothing about you beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 06:51:00 AM 1196 Views
Yunalesca: Gher - 28/04/2010 01:58:28 AM 1257 Views
Fox couldn't have been behind killing White Flame ranagrande - 28/04/2010 02:19:19 AM 1213 Views
Yeah, my bad. Gher - 28/04/2010 02:22:46 AM 1243 Views
Also: Gher - 28/04/2010 02:29:29 AM 1076 Views
yes to several *NM* Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:25:56 AM 665 Views
EBWOP Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 11:27:53 AM 1169 Views
More questions: Gher - 28/04/2010 03:52:20 PM 1288 Views
Re: More answers Yunalesca - 28/04/2010 07:40:27 PM 1230 Views
You still haven't answered the most important one. Gher - 29/04/2010 01:06:47 AM 1224 Views
Re: You still haven't answered the most important one. Yunalesca - 29/04/2010 11:33:48 AM 1199 Views
That's good to know ranagrande - 29/04/2010 03:12:48 PM 1259 Views
RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Darth_Katie - 28/04/2010 04:30:26 AM 1275 Views
Re: RBIRL until May 7th or 8th Fox and Ravens - 28/04/2010 05:54:54 AM 1304 Views
Oh, Amys and Artsapat- hypocop, please beetnemesis - 28/04/2010 07:43:38 AM 1240 Views
RBIRL BlackAdder - 29/04/2010 08:46:11 PM 1227 Views
about the mass roleclaim ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:31:59 PM 1256 Views
Guys! 5 minutes left! beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 01:55:36 AM 1226 Views
Goes to first one voted for. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 02:00:33 AM 690 Views
Re: Guys! 5 minutes left! Isaac - 30/04/2010 03:44:40 AM 1200 Views
Looks right to me. Oh, well. At least now I can start accusing people beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 04:34:51 AM 1235 Views
Random Values needed, C-11 thanks Isaac - 30/04/2010 04:36:26 AM 1159 Views
C *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 30/04/2010 04:43:47 AM 662 Views
11 *NM* Talic - 30/04/2010 05:46:13 AM 632 Views
Event: Lunch Interlude Day 3 Isaac - 30/04/2010 08:37:51 PM 1174 Views
So, just so I'm sure I'm reading this right... beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:18:48 PM 1173 Views
So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:24:56 PM 1233 Views
I think you're right about Artsapat ranagrande - 01/05/2010 02:44:24 PM 1214 Views
...that's right, I'd forgotten about that. beetnemesis - 01/05/2010 04:09:28 PM 1145 Views
You know, looking at your summary post.... Kronin al'Sulc - 01/05/2010 04:56:38 PM 1191 Views
Re: So, here's the post I was going to make a couple days ago, before I decided to wait for Lunch Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:32:54 PM 1203 Views
EBWOP: I just saw that Black DID hypocop Today. I missed it when I glanced up. *NM* Artsapat - 02/05/2010 12:36:56 PM 697 Views
Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? beetnemesis - 30/04/2010 10:26:52 PM 1092 Views
Re: Oh, and Yuna: Do you have a night kill every night? Yunalesca - 30/04/2010 10:52:27 PM 1142 Views
by the way fistofpainx - 02/05/2010 06:32:44 AM 1194 Views
it should be obvious Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 06:40:32 PM 1428 Views
Re: it should be obvious Amys - 02/05/2010 07:12:44 PM 1259 Views
Re: it should be obvious Artsapat - 02/05/2010 07:31:47 PM 1110 Views
once again Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:41:56 PM 1180 Views
RBIRL Gher - 01/05/2010 03:46:59 PM 1211 Views
Yeah!! Go Jazz!! *NM* Hobo - 01/05/2010 09:49:49 PM 715 Views
Before we lynch anyone today Gher - 02/05/2010 09:57:25 PM 1301 Views
thats fine with me *NM* Yunalesca - 02/05/2010 11:27:31 PM 698 Views
I suggest lynch Artsapat, NK Darth Katie *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 12:45:45 AM 664 Views
I support this plan. ranagrande - 03/05/2010 02:59:11 AM 1145 Views
That's fine, but it might be wise to take contingencies into account. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 03:02:10 AM 1115 Views
Any suggestions? I can't see any contingencies for lynching Arty *NM* beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 03:42:06 AM 618 Views
Definitely Gher - 03/05/2010 05:07:02 AM 1314 Views
Why do you think mass roleclaiming is a good idea? beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 05:43:34 AM 1168 Views
I don't. Gher - 03/05/2010 04:23:14 PM 1181 Views
Sounds like a good idea to me. BlackAdder - 03/05/2010 03:23:21 PM 1136 Views
I usually disagree with mass rolelcaims on principle. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:16:58 PM 1151 Views
Quick RP Mafia Note Isaac - 03/05/2010 03:00:14 AM 1066 Views
Right, so Artsapat: beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 04:50:04 PM 1125 Views
I still have no idea why we're supposed to trust Yunalesca now. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 07:17:39 PM 654 Views
Pretty much everything we've seen has confirmed her claims. beetnemesis - 03/05/2010 08:39:16 PM 1209 Views
None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. Fanatic-Templar - 03/05/2010 09:08:13 PM 1251 Views
Hm. We could all hypocop her tomorrow? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:43:13 AM 1334 Views
Re: None of those claims were the reason she's suspicious. BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:12:16 PM 1224 Views
Not to mention that it's common for Darkfriends to accuse each other to divert suspicion. Fanatic-Templar - 04/05/2010 09:23:14 PM 1265 Views
She'll need a darn good explanation if she "goes off target" Gher - 03/05/2010 09:09:53 PM 1153 Views
so what exactly makes artspat a good choice? fistofpainx - 04/05/2010 12:26:12 AM 1212 Views
Well, here's my summary: beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 02:00:16 AM 1239 Views
Come on, as I pointed out, the timing doesn't support that. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:44:37 AM 1321 Views
Basically, it's ALL part of the game beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:26:35 PM 1184 Views
All right, I'll come clean Artsapat - 04/05/2010 08:21:36 AM 1220 Views
Fabulous Amys - 04/05/2010 09:20:07 AM 1226 Views
Unvote ranagrande - 04/05/2010 01:02:27 PM 1269 Views
You couldn't have seen him dozing in a chair in his room. He spent the Night in Talic's room. Gher - 04/05/2010 03:38:40 PM 1184 Views
No idea about the timing of my Night message. Artsapat - 04/05/2010 03:52:26 PM 1195 Views
How long were you outside White Flame's window? *NM* Gher - 04/05/2010 05:09:24 PM 682 Views
No idea. Sorry Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:49:36 PM 1145 Views
Re: No idea. Sorry BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:34:41 PM 1275 Views
...This is kind of weird beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 01:58:26 AM 1097 Views
I am inclined to agree. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 02:20:26 AM 1206 Views
He said he saw Bergioyn do it, unless I completely misread what he wrote. BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:47:02 AM 1150 Views
Nope- you misread. Both Arty and Lunch #3 tell us that the Watcher didn't see the killer beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:26:25 AM 1151 Views
The thing that makes me suspicious: Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:02:27 PM 1216 Views
That's true... Hey! Did anyone else Watch White Flame (or track Berg)? If so, we could use your help beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:31:05 PM 1192 Views
Re: ...This is kind of weird Artsapat - 05/05/2010 11:31:47 AM 1258 Views
So... you're saying that you heard Bergioyn die, just as he killed White Flame? *NM* beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:27:32 PM 655 Views
Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:29:36 PM 1137 Views
Re: Well, just for curiosity's sake, I went back and re-read my Dawn message Yunalesca - 06/05/2010 12:16:16 AM 1274 Views
Well, tbh, even that was stated by Isaac in the opening scene *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:38:45 PM 684 Views
^^^btw, that post is not actually an *NM* but I can't edit it *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:40:35 PM 652 Views
This was basically what I was getting at beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 11:36:07 PM 1193 Views
Re: This was basically what I was getting at BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 12:06:52 AM 1245 Views
According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... Gher - 06/05/2010 02:34:41 AM 1220 Views
Re: According to the Day Message, the scream was White Flame... BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:41:18 AM 1141 Views
Or whomever found White Flame. Gher - 06/05/2010 04:22:20 AM 1136 Views
Interesting. Unvote, for now beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:42:18 PM 1160 Views
Re: Interesting. Unvote, for now BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:39:23 PM 1172 Views
I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 05:50:04 PM 1195 Views
Re: I'm curious- what's the flavor of your role? Artsapat - 04/05/2010 07:59:35 PM 1166 Views
Job security... so who are you working for? ranagrande - 05/05/2010 12:15:23 AM 1242 Views
I am unable to do anything at all, every single night. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 01:36:57 AM 673 Views
So, are you claiming vanilla, then? Or Day Mason? *NM* Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:46:16 PM 684 Views
I'm not claiming anything. Fanatic-Templar - 05/05/2010 07:53:04 PM 1189 Views
I think there was a role last game Isaac hosted that couldn't use their powers on consecutive nights Gher - 05/05/2010 01:47:38 AM 1119 Views
Re: All right, I'll come clean BlackAdder - 04/05/2010 09:30:29 PM 1198 Views
Some answers Artsapat - 05/05/2010 12:43:49 PM 1438 Views
Vote: Artsapat ranagrande - 05/05/2010 02:08:06 PM 1203 Views
Re: Vote: Artsapat Artsapat - 05/05/2010 02:21:59 PM 1195 Views
Er... what evidence? You said that all you saw was White Flame was killed beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 06:22:03 PM 1222 Views
Re: Some answers BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:22:47 PM 1164 Views
You know, I don't like the details of your role... Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 03:26:20 AM 1118 Views
Hmmm. . . Amys - 04/05/2010 09:30:27 AM 1248 Views
So you do have a bite Artsapat - 04/05/2010 12:09:35 PM 1257 Views
Who doesn't? Amys - 04/05/2010 04:53:56 PM 1201 Views
Re: So you do have a bite BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 03:54:03 AM 1184 Views
Eh. Roles are good... but what have they gotten us so far? beetnemesis - 05/05/2010 04:30:23 AM 1140 Views
Yes, but having such a severe vote restriction, and no other powers as a townie, would suck. *NM* BlackAdder - 05/05/2010 09:25:05 PM 651 Views
Isaac I'm just going to ignore Update 21 because it makes my head hurt *NM* beetnemesis - 04/05/2010 01:52:02 AM 641 Views
RBIRL - APs *sigh* Kronin al'Sulc - 05/05/2010 12:59:49 AM 1271 Views
RBIRL Yunalesca - 05/05/2010 04:19:43 PM 1152 Views
Ok, so Artsapat, your story isn't totally adding up beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 01:57:09 AM 1167 Views
Again... Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:02:49 AM 1222 Views
EBWOP: "The Lunch ISN'T backing him up." *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:03:45 AM 676 Views
Yeah this is what I'm thinking as well Talic - 06/05/2010 02:44:59 AM 1424 Views
Yeah, a Watcher role that doesn't actually get any results? Gher - 06/05/2010 02:38:11 AM 1216 Views
He's actually a Watcher/Tracker apparently. Kronin al'Sulc - 06/05/2010 02:44:20 AM 1201 Views
To all the people voting Artsapat BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 03:56:15 AM 1292 Views
^^^i.e., Amys, ranagrande, Talic, Kronin al'Sulc (I think that means L-2 with a VNTL of 6) *NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 04:02:23 AM 1166 Views
L-1, Ranagrande is Chair. Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:35:44 AM 1288 Views
Oh, well nevermind. Too late it seems. *NM* Fanatic-Templar - 06/05/2010 04:37:08 AM 639 Views
Yup, too late. BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:07:57 AM 1293 Views
So he's a Watcher/Tracker that doesn't actually get any results? How is that better? *NM* Gher - 06/05/2010 04:17:47 AM 671 Views
Eh. Sorry Arty, but the evidence has stacked up. Yuna, remember to kill DK beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 04:13:38 AM 1173 Views
Hold up. DK really? Gher - 06/05/2010 04:25:04 AM 1275 Views
DK has some negative points against her BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 05:17:42 AM 1240 Views
watcher that does not see fistofpainx - 06/05/2010 04:15:48 AM 1310 Views
Twilight - Artsapat has been Lynched Isaac - 06/05/2010 04:50:35 AM 1193 Views
Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Isaac - 06/05/2010 05:51:21 AM 1218 Views
Indeed. Gher - 06/05/2010 06:21:58 AM 1146 Views
Yeah, seriously. beetnemesis - 06/05/2010 06:31:57 AM 1193 Views
Re: Nicely played by the way, well done Artsapat Artsapat - 06/05/2010 07:17:12 AM 1178 Views
*NM* BlackAdder - 06/05/2010 07:22:40 AM 601 Views
Night Deadline extension Isaac - 06/05/2010 07:32:40 AM 1449 Views
RBIRL ranagrande - 06/05/2010 11:09:32 PM 1124 Views
Whoa you guys are still playing? Sweet. I totally forgot about this. *NM* Marshall - 07/05/2010 09:40:26 PM 824 Views
Oh hell yeah, man. Fox and Ravens - 07/05/2010 11:03:26 PM 1103 Views
Long time no see Isaac - 08/05/2010 01:35:23 PM 1282 Views
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