I could point out several flaws in that, not least of which being that Werewolf is an alternate version and name for Mafia, as is Assassin, both with theme elements of their own. More importantly, werewolf is basically the original cult killer leader role. Additionally, I can't see how other people don't reach that same conclusion, unless they are being eyes wide shut, I didn't say he was, I said it was a strong possibility, when his follow up was 'I got multiple deep wounds' claw marks come to mind, there are many an intelligent beastman, some good, some bad, just as there are many undead, but if I see two holes in someone's neck I will not overlook vampire and assume it's a skeleteon with a thing for stabbing people with a pair of toothpicks.
Regardless, let me ease things. For various reasons not necessarily related to my role and setting, I have good reason to believe this game includes a recruitment aspect. I do not know the details, I do not even know for sure if it is in play, but a lack of corpses in a game of 16 makes me think, 'hmm... maybe they didn't die because they've gone darksider?'
Also, and this is newer since seeing Napoleon's claim, for similiar reason I do not think ranagrande views the doc as a role able to protect himself, we discussed certain things like that during our wild goose chase in thered herring robot game. This is basically the reason I was sure virtually all if not all characters would be consistent to their roles if they had them, I appear to have been correct about that, yes?
Docs can not protect themselves, or to be more accurate, when they can the role is incorrect and overpowered. A doc who can protect himself is an over-powered modification of the role:
A very powerful ally to the Town. Each night, the Doctor contacts the Game Moderator, choosing one player to protect during the night from a night kill. When used in combination with a Cop, the Town has a sharply increased chance at catching Scum.
Generally, the Doctor can not heal/protect himself. Also, if the player is targeted by more than one Mafia family (or a family and Serial Killer), that player still usually dies.
Now, do I believe NApoleon's claim? Mostly yes, he'd already claimed female and as you know I did extensive character research on you for that reason, Lucy showed up, as did Susan and Jadis, the White Witch. I discount WoT, too many fmailiar characters with this group to bother, mario land has princess toadstool, winnie the pooh has only the mother kangaroo, and portal is a video game featuring only three things, the player, an evil AI, and a total absence of cake. So I already knew Napoleon, if not WoT, was either Lucy, Susan, Jandis, Princess Toadstool, or a kangaroo if he was not WoT and truthful. By the way, since you brought up analysis by setting to hunt for the attacker, none of them feature a major antagonist who could thus be described, many often have evil beastdudes and werewolves as secondary bad guys.
It doesn't actually matter if NApoleon is telling the truth, because if he got culted, his self-doccing wouldn't stop that, and he would have been a townie - cultists die if they try to recruit scum.
Explain the anomaly - first, the doc docced themself? Now, some mods do allow this and ranagrande might be one, but I can confirm he knows of the reason this is typically not allowed and it's effect as an over-power role. It may be in play, but if it is, I would guess he allowed it because he forgot to say no in role assignment, or felt the town needed buffing out.
Second anomaly - the claim itself, there's a difference between when someone is forced to RC and when someone wants to RC, people with fake claims are often anxious to drop them, proud of their fictional claim and what it will buy them in terms of prob-town. Napoleon claimed too quickly, he was not pressured to claim, in fact pretty much everyone who asked him questions was treading carefully around revealing the doc and FT even posted a warning on this. Ask FT, that post was specifically warning me about something, I doubt either of us will be willing to give details, but I'm sure he'll confirm he was telling me something and I got it, and proceeded to leave Napoleon alone. Until he RC'd - as beet pointed out, that was an amazingly reckless thing to do, so I choose to assume ulterior motive. A very strong candidate for that is that he was Lucy and a doc, but got turned to the darkside - remember, we have no dead bodies, there's usually being a less than wonderful reason why this has happened in the past.
Now, who attacked him?
I remove the dead/inactive, myself and FT, I believe FT was probably RB'd. We don't have settings for FT anyway. We will also assume, for the moment, that even the bad guys told the truth about their settings.
Artsapat
Beetnemesis
BlackAdder
Darth Katie
Fox
Kylia
White Flame
Yunalesca
Artsapat is off, of his various settings none feature prominent beastmen. Beet is off, the few that appear in his mascots - Tony the Tiger - are not malevolent.
BlackAdder is on, some of his settings revolve strongly around animals with human intellect/behavior. One of his is Narnia as well - and Black Adder posted his first - keep that in mind, BA was the first to post settings and listed Narnia. BA strongly on.
Darth Katie - Only Looney Tunes, where really most of the 'beastmen' are not particular evil, Taz maybe - DK On
Fox - Only Sonic the hedgehog, but there, all the bad guys are robots and the good guys are animals.
Kylia - DC is too big for analysis, but not too many of the prominent bad guys are beastmen-baddies, she also picked Buffy, which can contain some, one of the captain planet villains is a rat-dude, but not large. So slim on.
White Flame - Not a single one of his settings includes anything non-human
Yunalesca - Like Kylia, she picked DC and Buffy, slim on
So if NApoleon was attacked by a large beast, and the bad guys listed their real settings, the culprit was almost certainly BlackAdder, DK, Kylia, and Yunalesca.
Regardless, let me ease things. For various reasons not necessarily related to my role and setting, I have good reason to believe this game includes a recruitment aspect. I do not know the details, I do not even know for sure if it is in play, but a lack of corpses in a game of 16 makes me think, 'hmm... maybe they didn't die because they've gone darksider?'
Also, and this is newer since seeing Napoleon's claim, for similiar reason I do not think ranagrande views the doc as a role able to protect himself, we discussed certain things like that during our wild goose chase in the
Docs can not protect themselves, or to be more accurate, when they can the role is incorrect and overpowered. A doc who can protect himself is an over-powered modification of the role:
A very powerful ally to the Town. Each night, the Doctor contacts the Game Moderator, choosing one player to protect during the night from a night kill. When used in combination with a Cop, the Town has a sharply increased chance at catching Scum.
Generally, the Doctor can not heal/protect himself. Also, if the player is targeted by more than one Mafia family (or a family and Serial Killer), that player still usually dies.
Now, do I believe NApoleon's claim? Mostly yes, he'd already claimed female and as you know I did extensive character research on you for that reason, Lucy showed up, as did Susan and Jadis, the White Witch. I discount WoT, too many fmailiar characters with this group to bother, mario land has princess toadstool, winnie the pooh has only the mother kangaroo, and portal is a video game featuring only three things, the player, an evil AI, and a total absence of cake. So I already knew Napoleon, if not WoT, was either Lucy, Susan, Jandis, Princess Toadstool, or a kangaroo if he was not WoT and truthful. By the way, since you brought up analysis by setting to hunt for the attacker, none of them feature a major antagonist who could thus be described, many often have evil beastdudes and werewolves as secondary bad guys.
It doesn't actually matter if NApoleon is telling the truth, because if he got culted, his self-doccing wouldn't stop that, and he would have been a townie - cultists die if they try to recruit scum.
Explain the anomaly - first, the doc docced themself? Now, some mods do allow this and ranagrande might be one, but I can confirm he knows of the reason this is typically not allowed and it's effect as an over-power role. It may be in play, but if it is, I would guess he allowed it because he forgot to say no in role assignment, or felt the town needed buffing out.
Second anomaly - the claim itself, there's a difference between when someone is forced to RC and when someone wants to RC, people with fake claims are often anxious to drop them, proud of their fictional claim and what it will buy them in terms of prob-town. Napoleon claimed too quickly, he was not pressured to claim, in fact pretty much everyone who asked him questions was treading carefully around revealing the doc and FT even posted a warning on this. Ask FT, that post was specifically warning me about something, I doubt either of us will be willing to give details, but I'm sure he'll confirm he was telling me something and I got it, and proceeded to leave Napoleon alone. Until he RC'd - as beet pointed out, that was an amazingly reckless thing to do, so I choose to assume ulterior motive. A very strong candidate for that is that he was Lucy and a doc, but got turned to the darkside - remember, we have no dead bodies, there's usually being a less than wonderful reason why this has happened in the past.
Now, who attacked him?
I remove the dead/inactive, myself and FT, I believe FT was probably RB'd. We don't have settings for FT anyway. We will also assume, for the moment, that even the bad guys told the truth about their settings.
Artsapat
Beetnemesis
BlackAdder
Darth Katie
Fox
Kylia
White Flame
Yunalesca
Artsapat is off, of his various settings none feature prominent beastmen. Beet is off, the few that appear in his mascots - Tony the Tiger - are not malevolent.
BlackAdder is on, some of his settings revolve strongly around animals with human intellect/behavior. One of his is Narnia as well - and Black Adder posted his first - keep that in mind, BA was the first to post settings and listed Narnia. BA strongly on.
Darth Katie - Only Looney Tunes, where really most of the 'beastmen' are not particular evil, Taz maybe - DK On
Fox - Only Sonic the hedgehog, but there, all the bad guys are robots and the good guys are animals.
Kylia - DC is too big for analysis, but not too many of the prominent bad guys are beastmen-baddies, she also picked Buffy, which can contain some, one of the captain planet villains is a rat-dude, but not large. So slim on.
White Flame - Not a single one of his settings includes anything non-human
Yunalesca - Like Kylia, she picked DC and Buffy, slim on
So if NApoleon was attacked by a large beast, and the bad guys listed their real settings, the culprit was almost certainly BlackAdder, DK, Kylia, and Yunalesca.
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Chancellor of the Landsraad, Archduke of Is'Mod
RAFO Mafia 17, Day 2: Stayin' Alive
- 26/06/2010 07:39:13 AM
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Ah ah ah ah stayin' aliiiiiiiiiiiiive
- 26/06/2010 03:48:30 PM
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I as well was attacked
- 26/06/2010 09:00:28 PM
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A beast? That's interesting
- 26/06/2010 10:08:33 PM
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If we can identify it from a particular series, we might be able to nab the attacker. *NM*
- 26/06/2010 10:14:45 PM
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Alright here is a repost of yesterday's info
- 26/06/2010 10:22:58 PM
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Alright, Here comes some analysis out the wazoo.
- 27/06/2010 06:35:59 PM
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Yes, it was a beast
- 26/06/2010 11:19:13 PM
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Was it a werewolf?
- 26/06/2010 11:30:27 PM
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No evidence to suggest it was...
- 26/06/2010 11:44:35 PM
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Re: No evidence to suggest it was...
- 26/06/2010 11:49:00 PM
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I know how I was saved
- 27/06/2010 12:02:39 AM
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Re: I know how I was saved
- 27/06/2010 12:21:59 AM
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A few ideas
- 27/06/2010 12:36:45 AM
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Re: A few ideas
- 27/06/2010 01:06:11 AM
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So, I guess Kronin/Blaine should provide their info now to the questions from yesterday
- 26/06/2010 05:05:17 PM
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Alright, questions.
- 26/06/2010 06:04:13 PM
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You forgot HDG *NM*
- 26/06/2010 11:43:40 PM
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Which is.... *NM*
- 27/06/2010 12:53:22 AM
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Going back to yesterday
- 26/06/2010 10:16:23 PM
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I am still in fact suspicious of Isaac
- 26/06/2010 11:21:58 PM
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damn
- 26/06/2010 11:33:59 PM
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Yeah, I think he should divulge. *NM*
- 27/06/2010 04:11:13 AM
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EBWOP - Elaboration.
- 27/06/2010 04:12:44 AM
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FINE. FINE. FINE
- 27/06/2010 12:27:33 PM
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Whyyyyyyyyyy
- 27/06/2010 05:34:05 PM
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This is pretty much what I expected...
- 27/06/2010 08:29:43 PM
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I'm inclined to believe his claim
- 27/06/2010 11:47:29 PM
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Well, he could be a threat as a pretty probable pro-town player, if we accept his claim.
- 28/06/2010 06:00:32 AM
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Since no one seems to have listened to my dying shouts.
- 27/06/2010 01:03:10 AM
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I hadn't really thought of that
- 27/06/2010 01:31:01 AM
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Short post, with elaboration to come later.
- 27/06/2010 03:00:43 PM
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Okay, elaboration time.
- 27/06/2010 06:19:49 PM
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Re: Okay, elaboration time.
- 28/06/2010 02:39:54 AM
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Now, what I want to know.
- 28/06/2010 04:47:17 AM
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Your basically wildly speculating with an assumption of guilt
- 28/06/2010 06:00:53 AM
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You're not seeing my point.
- 28/06/2010 05:46:59 PM
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Re: You're not seeing my point.
- 28/06/2010 06:39:05 PM
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Okay, fair enough. I guess onto other points for now.
- 28/06/2010 07:28:02 PM
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It's also possible that there are multiple characters from the same setting. *NM*
- 28/06/2010 08:58:35 PM
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So, where'd the night kill go?
- 28/06/2010 10:01:00 PM
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You know, I find that reaction a bit odd, and it adds to my suspicion of Isaac
- 28/06/2010 10:39:09 PM
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That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 05:46:12 AM
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Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 06:16:58 AM
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Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 06:33:22 AM
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Re: That's the question, a cult is one possibility for one of them
- 29/06/2010 06:57:08 AM
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Hypocop Table!
- 27/06/2010 05:37:07 PM
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Staying Alive indeed
- 28/06/2010 12:31:47 PM
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Congrats to you, and I shall also Vote Chair: Darth_Katie
- 28/06/2010 10:15:32 PM
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Two things:
- 28/06/2010 10:34:31 PM
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For what it's worth, there was a third fraction in that game though.
- 28/06/2010 10:45:08 PM
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Also
- 28/06/2010 11:07:34 PM
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Yunalesca - innocent *NM*
- 28/06/2010 12:33:03 PM
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EBWOP - Why can't I post ANYthing in the right place? Just disregard, I'll repost in the Table *NM*
- 28/06/2010 01:28:10 PM
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Voting record.
- 28/06/2010 10:03:33 PM
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And according to ranagrande, the VNTL was just 7, with Amys, Blaine, Hobo, and Talic all inactive. *NM*
- 28/06/2010 10:17:25 PM
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you guys are so slow on the uptake you know *NM*
- 28/06/2010 10:43:58 PM
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And you've only realized that now?
- 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM
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- 28/06/2010 10:56:57 PM
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read my posts carefully
- 28/06/2010 11:01:45 PM
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Okay, let's do that
- 29/06/2010 06:10:28 AM
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I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones
- 29/06/2010 07:31:32 AM
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Re: I'm a bit interested in hearing from the quiet ones
- 29/06/2010 04:27:18 PM
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i confessed to being the beast *NM*
- 29/06/2010 04:36:40 PM
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Well, that... doesn't sound smart.
- 29/06/2010 04:48:22 PM
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I mean, this is just an obvious way to get yourself lynched.
- 29/06/2010 04:48:49 PM
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I'm guessing she got bored with the game and wants us to lynch her *NM*
- 29/06/2010 06:26:22 PM
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Sorry. I've been so busy.
- 30/06/2010 12:54:17 AM
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Re: Sorry. I've been so busy.
- 30/06/2010 12:57:48 AM
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Re: Sorry. I've been so busy.
- 30/06/2010 01:23:06 AM
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Then please repeat it for me.
- 30/06/2010 02:08:28 AM
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I always thought it was
- 30/06/2010 02:49:57 AM
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Re: I always thought it was
- 30/06/2010 03:46:22 AM
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I didn't think there was anything that made Napoleon stand out Yesterday either.
- 30/06/2010 04:32:25 AM
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That whole thing would have worked if Yuna didn't have psychopathic flavortext...
- 30/06/2010 04:15:01 AM
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I've never heard of the rule and would actually think it anti-town for the vig not to kill
- 30/06/2010 04:34:10 AM
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Because it isn't like a lynch at all.
- 30/06/2010 06:30:04 AM
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the quiet ones...
- 01/07/2010 09:58:52 AM
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Some advice
- 01/07/2010 12:40:13 PM
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You're probably right...
- 01/07/2010 01:41:13 PM
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This has definitely been going slower than normal. Hopefully it will pick up soon.
- 02/07/2010 08:57:26 PM
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Does this damn thing work yet? >.< *NM*
- 29/06/2010 07:36:31 PM
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Holy crap it does, my account has been bugged for a little bit now and wouldnt post anything =/
- 29/06/2010 07:40:28 PM
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So, Yuna. What's your game?
- 30/06/2010 04:16:28 AM
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*laughs*
- 30/06/2010 10:30:38 AM
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Darn, I had my finger crossed for Oz, Seth Green's werewolf character in Buffy
- 30/06/2010 01:46:01 PM
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Let me just say this: If she is a Jester...
- 30/06/2010 04:10:23 PM
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I agree
- 30/06/2010 05:20:18 PM
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Screw the Jesters.
- 30/06/2010 07:22:59 PM
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It's a defense against getting lynched only if we don't have any other ways of getting rid of them
- 30/06/2010 09:12:09 PM
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Too much room for error, plus it leaves it open for future claims
- 30/06/2010 10:04:56 PM
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I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess
- 01/07/2010 04:10:05 AM
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Re: I almost want to say let's just ignore her... except she apparently has a NK. Lynch her, I guess
- 01/07/2010 05:43:01 AM
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Jester's are awful. They ruin the game.
- 01/07/2010 06:26:39 AM
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That apostrophe is driving me insane *NM*
- 02/07/2010 01:51:23 AM
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I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts
. *NM*
- 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM
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I didn't want to say anything. Too bad you can't edit posts
. *NM*
- 02/07/2010 01:56:57 AM
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I'll allow you to edit that one if you wish to.
- 02/07/2010 04:00:05 AM
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Sigh... check the history of that post for part 2 of the comedy of errors *NM*
- 02/07/2010 04:12:33 AM
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unfortunatly im RBIRL
- 01/07/2010 10:11:22 AM
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It's the Independence Day weekend in the US, too, so
- 01/07/2010 04:55:44 PM
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Testing... (Table)
- 01/07/2010 05:18:38 PM
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Anyone can do that?
- 01/07/2010 05:26:48 PM
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Re: Anyone can do that?
- 01/07/2010 05:34:20 PM
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hmm
- 01/07/2010 05:28:35 PM
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Oh, you have to get a membership
- 01/07/2010 05:36:46 PM
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Re: Oh, you have to get a membership
- 01/07/2010 06:03:21 PM
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I am SO cheap.
- 01/07/2010 06:42:15 PM
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I donated to the site
- 02/07/2010 08:32:55 AM
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Darth_Katie has been elected Chair
- 01/07/2010 06:07:37 PM
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So... why not just vote for Yuna and end the day?
- 03/07/2010 05:56:18 AM
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I think we might've already?
- 03/07/2010 06:38:55 AM
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I think you misspelled Yunalesca as Yunalesa
- 03/07/2010 12:01:26 PM
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- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM
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- 03/07/2010 04:21:54 PM
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Nah, I'm not that much of a stickler for spelling
- 03/07/2010 05:35:16 PM
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.....? *NM*
- 03/07/2010 05:50:14 PM
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Someone must have blocked her vote
- 03/07/2010 07:19:50 PM
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Could be the other way 'round...
- 03/07/2010 09:20:15 PM
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Re: Could be the other way 'round...
- 03/07/2010 10:37:10 PM
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Re:
- 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM
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- 03/07/2010 07:07:20 PM
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Maybe
- 03/07/2010 07:19:55 PM
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Whatever happened happened between edits 5 and 6 on the vote table
- 03/07/2010 07:28:33 PM
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Let's try focusing on Yuna again, see if we can make this make sense
- 04/07/2010 12:08:48 AM
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She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL.
- 04/07/2010 12:27:34 AM
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Re: She's not answering cause she's an unstated RBIRL.
- 04/07/2010 12:58:52 AM
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Well, actually kill her.
- 04/07/2010 01:04:41 AM
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Re: Well, actually kill her.
- 04/07/2010 01:09:16 AM
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That might do it
- 04/07/2010 01:12:45 AM
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Anybody else maybe just want to vote to get this definitely over with? *NM*
- 04/07/2010 01:33:44 AM
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I definitely don't want to vote her
- 04/07/2010 04:10:07 AM
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Agreed...
- 04/07/2010 05:30:31 AM
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Explain that
- 04/07/2010 02:38:01 PM
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*cackles wickedly*
- 06/07/2010 04:24:01 AM
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For the record, not really supposed to post in this thread after the Day's over.
*NM*
- 06/07/2010 04:48:29 AM
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*NM*
- 06/07/2010 04:48:29 AM
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Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell.
- 04/07/2010 02:31:38 AM
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Re: Napoleon's MIA, as far as I can tell.
- 04/07/2010 03:34:55 AM
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Does it really matter if she wins?
- 04/07/2010 03:39:43 AM
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It means we waste a lynch though.
- 04/07/2010 04:11:50 AM
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You seem to be assuming that if she's a jester the DFs will kill her
- 04/07/2010 04:20:13 AM
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Ohhhhh I think I figured out what happened to me.
- 04/07/2010 05:28:32 AM
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If it's a vote steal, rather than a block...
- 04/07/2010 05:55:49 AM
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I think a steal makes more sense with the money transaction.
- 04/07/2010 06:09:50 AM
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Don't know if that would work...
- 04/07/2010 06:24:17 AM
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It's Artsapat, has to be
- 04/07/2010 02:32:16 PM
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I don't know anything about the Million Dollar Man
- 04/07/2010 03:28:19 PM
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On the other hand, that seems like such a scummy thing to do, steal somebody's vote. *NM*
- 04/07/2010 03:29:55 PM
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That was my thought also,
- 04/07/2010 06:07:49 PM
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Re: That was my thought also,
- 04/07/2010 06:16:34 PM
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- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM
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- 04/07/2010 06:41:56 PM
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Actually
- 05/07/2010 03:46:42 PM
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